no problem, you give me a stable implementation and foremost documentation ( I love documentation , I am a huge fan) and I will give you a theme builder and designer in a year for spec. Unless someone else beat me to it. This is after all the central focus of my project.
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 12:46 AM, Benjamin < benjamin.vanryseghem.ph...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 12 Nov 2013, at 23:37, kilon alios <kilon.al...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Thank you for the wishes. I would not even dream to start something like > that if Pharo did not already offer so many awesome libraries and tools. > > Ah thats very good news indeed , I did not know you were so much close to > finalizing at least the core of spec. Documentation is something I am > already looking forward to. So it seems I will be using Spec afterall. > > Are you by any chance thinking about a theme engine about Spec , because > this generally the direction I am going with this . I dont know if you have > used Winamp on windows, its a music player that can change skins and even > though it has the same gui it can change its look dramatically. I think > such an ability would look very cool for Pharo and its what I am aiming for > with my project. > > So does Spec has any theme support ? If not any plans for it , or you > leave that to others to make ? > > > This is not planned yet (mainly because I do not have time to do it), but > if someone wants to contribute, he/she is more than welcome :) > > Ben > > These are some examples of winamp skins http://www.winamp.com/skins > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 12:23 AM, Benjamin < > benjamin.vanryseghem.ph...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 12 Nov 2013, at 23:07, kilon alios <kilon.al...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Currently I am working on Hyperion a vector graphics editor with similar >> goals to inkscape and gimp . The second step will be to use Hyperion as a >> GUI designer, not just to drag and drop ready made widgets but to design >> from scratch new ones. The third step is to create a GUI api so that those >> widgets will be accessed from code via a GUI API that I have named >> Morpheas. The forth step is to take all that and redesign the look (just >> the look not the internals) of Pharo making it more user friendly and >> approachable including several tools into a project I have named Ephestos. >> >> >> This sounds like a really cool battle plan :) I sincerely wish you to >> succeed in your project :) >> >> >> I like the general idea of everything being a morph a simple building >> block that allows you to build complex , custom guis. I am also thinking >> providing a super simple GUI API and offering sophisticated widgets as >> external libraries. In sort my goal is minimalism and customisation. >> >> All of this will be based on Athens which is what I already use for >> Hyperion. >> >> This is the final look that aiming for to offer as a default look , but >> of course because it will be based on Athens and will offer a powerful >> designer any look will be possible. >> >> http://vimeo.com/68113915 >> >> Currently I just started Hyperion and I work at creating lines with >> Athens and editing them graphically like inkscape. I hope that after 6 >> months to finish the basic vector graphic editing capabilities and move to >> GUI design so that by 2015 I have version 1 to offer that will be able to >> do both. Of course this will be a way more long term project than just one >> year but for now I take it step by step , day by day and see where it takes >> me. >> >> Because it is based on Athens I can bypass spec and even morphic >> completely and offer my own GUI API, however that will make it hard for >> people already having projects in those APIs to move to mine and since spec >> looks like the future of Pharo I am seriously considering spec as well. It >> will also save me the trouble of designing my own GUI API which is of >> course a big plus. My own concern is how morphic friendly spec is, meaning >> that I want to see everything as a composition of simpler elements and not >> monolithic widgets. From what I have seen from some tutorials this seems to >> be the direction you go with this, but maybe you could illuminate that area >> abit more for me. >> >> >> The idea of Spec (and the direction I want to give him now) is to be >> framework independent, in a way one can plug any framework below >> as long as the correct adapters are provided :) >> >> So if you implement the basic widgets, then you should be able to compose >> them using Spec :) >> >> >> I will also be interested to hear where you want to take spec, what you >> will like to add etc. >> >> >> I think that some widgets are missing but not that much anymore :) >> So I think the next steps are bug fixes and documentation :) >> >> Ben >> >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 11:27 PM, Benjamin < >> benjamin.vanryseghem.ph...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> What is exactly your goal ? :) >>> >>> Ben >>> >>> On 12 Nov 2013, at 20:46, kilon alios <kilon.al...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> yeah morphic is quite messy , but hey it works >>> >>> Thank you for your effort to bring us a better , cleaner and simpler GUI >>> API. You have my support. I am actually thinking about implementing my own >>> GUI API and I was wondering if I should base it on spec or not. My main >>> focus is custom look guis. But I will wait for the documentation of spec to >>> appear before I make any decision on it. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 9:23 PM, Benjamin < >>> benjamin.vanryseghem.ph...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On 12 Nov 2013, at 19:53, kilon alios <kilon.al...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> hahahaha nicely played man , nicely played :D >>>> >>>> of course I will , but so you know, I dont pay overtime ... now I think >>>> about it, I dont pay at all, but thats another matter . >>>> >>>> I would love to see tab in Nautilus , they will definitely sort the >>>> windows mess. At least partly. >>>> >>>> >>>> Me too :) >>>> That’s why I am writing a new one (made with Spec) >>>> >>>> Otherwise, in full morphic, you will see the pain it is :P >>>> >>>> Ben >>>> >>>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 8:47 PM, Benjamin < >>>> benjamin.vanryseghem.ph...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The easier way is to wait for me to finish the new Nautilus with tabs >>>>> in it :P >>>>> >>>>> Ben >>>>> >>>>> On 12 Nov 2013, at 17:50, kilon alios <kilon.al...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I see in the top right side dropdown menu that there is an option to >>>>> create a window goup which basically add the current instance of Nautilus >>>>> in a tab but I dont know hot to add other tabs to it. It would be cool to >>>>> have multiple tabs for each class selection and not to have to open a new >>>>> window for each one. >>>>> >>>>> So how I add other tabs ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
