2014-04-22 11:02 GMT+01:00 Robert Shiplett <grshipl...@gmail.com>: > ah, emacs. end of conversation, from the friendly editor. And likely the > end of Mozart Oz, only they just can't believe it. > Emacs, version 25 on the way to 125. Oz. Version 1.4 and on the way to > nowhere, but at least it got there via emacs [ enough said.] > > ( I remember the senseless attacks on Visual Prolog as Turbo Prolog, on > bytecode ( before Java ), DASD in favour of RAM above 640k ... ) > > If ever a tool set back the development of IDE's before ( gag ) IBM > WorkBench/eclipse, it was surely emacs. > > But then again, someone will link eclipse to the VA Smalltalk team at > *IBM* ... ( eclipse has almost shuttered the Curl IDE at www.curl.com and > www.curlap.com - to my amazement. Only IDE to rival Smalltalk. Pooof ! > And with pluggable editors and the code in the package.) > > To really see the state of editors as components, just try writing tests > and docs in Japanese for a week for the programming paradigm of your > choice. Yes, time to configure an editor for Japanese is not included,as > that would be unfair. > > ( painful reminder : even Kobo, the e-reader, is lame compared to Amazon > Kindle, as a Japanese reader. And the Sony e-reader is gone. And that is > just mere Japanese text display without annotation, let alone editing for > development. But Apple fans far out-number emacs advocates, don't they? > ;-) > > Pharo 3 for coding in Japanese is now the best IDE of which I am aware. > And it is a great pleasure to see that. > > My thanks to everyone who helped bring Unicode to Pharo and Pharo to > Unicode fonts. > > And there is still no IDE for swi-prolog. Because Logtalk + SWI wouldn't > benefir from an IDE, would it. At least not in my lifetime ( Prolog > development maps to my life from post-college to retirement thus far, with > the earliest steps taken while I was in high school. A close match to > Smalltalk, in that one idiosyncratic regard.) > > :-) >
Um... this is all very interesting, and pretty unrelated to the topic. Back in the Fidonet days we used to yell at each other for changing the topic of a conversation without changing the subject line :P Cheers, Sergi
