I’ve been thinking similar and was holding out to see if I might relearn the new layout - but I agree it needs tweaking a bit (not lots - just make it a bit more comfortable)
I’m pleased to see us trying to make it more approachable though. Tim Sent from my iPhone > On 22 Jun 2018, at 03:36, Ben Coman <b...@openinworld.com> wrote: > > > >> On 22 June 2018 at 10:25, Ben Coman <b...@openinworld.com> wrote: >> >> >>> >>> > On 21 Jun 2018, at 22:42, Cyril Ferlicot D. <cyril.ferli...@gmail.com> >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> > Le 21/06/2018 à 23:18, Tim Mackinnon a écrit : >>> >> Hi >>> > >>> > Hi, >>> > >>> > - is the order of browsers specified for any particular reason? >>> >> >>> >> I ask, because the 2 main one System and Playground should both be at >>> >> the top (in my opinion) but I’m wondering if its in some specific order? >>> >> >>> > >>> > By top you mean at the root of the menu or at the top of the Tool submenu? >>> > >>> > If you mean at the root of the menu, then no for the menubar because it >>> > is a menubar and not a toolbar. But, it would be cool to get it back at >>> > the root of the WorldMenu but it need work to be able to define two >>> > different locations for menubar and world menu. >>> > >>> > If you mean at the top of the Tools submenu, then yes. The fact that >>> > Iceberg is before the playground is an error I think. >> >> >>> On 22 June 2018 at 06:03, Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote: >>> Hi Cyril (nice work on the menu by the way) - I was thinking in the Tools >>> menu they should both be at the top. For the world menu - I think maybe the >>> consistency is better - and for the advanced user they can learnt he >>> keyboard shortcuts? >> >> I've been meaning to provide some feedback on this, but been giving myself >> time to adapt first. >> >> Generally I like the direction this is heading, but I find I'm really >> missing the World-Menu > Save item. >> When I'm playing with deep parts of the system where mistakes are likely to >> break the Image, I use this often. >> Actually its not awkward so much that its an extra level down, but that >> "Save" is not at the top of its submenu. >> >> Now as this arrangement is new, and I guess will become locked in when Pharo >> 7 is released >> (at the risk of bike shedding) can we experiment a bit with the arrangement. >> I am finding that to open Browser and Playground I often accidentally go to >> "Pharo" item first, >> then correct myself to find them under "Tools". >> I'm not sure if I'm expecting Browser to be under the first menu, or >> expecting them under "Pharo". >> I think maybe the latter. For me the tools *are* Pharo. >> >> So... >> * Maybe rename the current "Pharo" to "File"? Its a common paradigm in many >> application that the first top-level item is "File" with save/quit/etc. And >> after, "saving" is the act of freezing the Image into a file. >> * Rename current "Tools" to "Pharo" as the second top-level item. >> >> Here is an experiment for anyone to try... >> >> WorldState-class >> pharoItemsOn: aBuilder >> (aBuilder item: #Pharo) >> + label: 'File'; >> - icon: ((self iconNamed: #pharo) scaledToSize: 20 @ 20); >> + icon: ((self iconNamed: #smallOpen) scaledToSize: 15 @ 15); >> >> (aBuilder item: #Save) >> + order: 1 >> >> (aBuilder item: #'Save as...') >> + order: 2 >> >> (aBuilder item: #saveAndQuit) >> + order: 2 ; withSeparatorAfter >> >> (aBuilder item: #Quit) >> + order: 9 >> >> AbstractTool-class >> menuCommandOn: >> + label: 'Pharo'; >> + icon: ((self iconNamed: #pharo) scaledToSize: 20 @ 20); >> >> SettingsBrowser-class >> menuCommandOn: >> + order: 5 > > A slight variation on top of above... > > WorldState-class >> pharoItemsOn: aBuilder > (aBuilder item: #Pharo) > - label: 'File'; > + label: 'Image'; > > cheers -ben
