Hi Torsten, how are you? Please find my answers below.
On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 12:37 PM Torsten Bergmann <asta...@gmx.de> wrote: > >Yes. And I think it's even more sad than the containers example doesn't > work anymore... AFAIK they replaced the system. > > Many things seem to be possible in times where talks like "How to get rid > of Smalltalk" [1] will be presented on > a Smalltalk conference (here ESUG 2019). > > Yes, I saw it too and caught my attention. Here is more details about the talk: https://github.com/ESUG/esug.github.io/blob/source/2019-Conference/talks/2019-HowToGetRidOfSmalltalk I think it's a nice gesture from ESUG to not ban it and let him speak. Whether we agree or not, that's a different discussion. But we can't ban. > Did commercial / traditional Smalltalk world really change over the years? > I'm not following them too closely in recent months > but I see some commercial vendors still try to attract people with old > success stories and videos from ancient times. > You know I am working for Instantiations. I have seen what you mean too in other vendors but I cannot speak in public about that. Feel free to send me a private email. Where is the "coolness factor" combined with fancy marketing to attract new > generations and audience... > > That's exactly the kind of marketing that we are doing at Instantiations. We are doing a lot of R&D in many areas such as IoT, ARM (we have ARM 32 and ARM 64), Raspberry Pi, AI/ML TensorFlow, Docker and many many other aspects. We have also moved forward on improving dialect compatibility such as writing a Tonel reader AND WRITER. Just take a look to my or or Instantiations twitter/linkedin activity and you will see it. You can also see our recent newsletter: https://mailchi.mp/instantiations/va-smalltalk-news-august-1-3037649 https://mailchi.mp/instantiations/va-smalltalk-news-april-17 Instantiations sponsored Camp St NC on March https://twitter.com/CampSmalltalkNA , its sponsoring ESUG and will sponsor Smalltalks. If you check everything I sent, you will notice there is not a single reference to success stories (except one that partner with us to build the new LLVM JIT). > And this although Smalltalk seems to be often mentioned as favourite > language like in [2] > > Pharo is in fact the main innovation driver these days. Another reason to > move on, to improve it or even change Pharo more radical > into a world beyond traditional Smalltalk. We all know that many new cool > and interesting things could be done on top > of the powerful base of a lively and dynamic object oriented system which > we still share with the historic roots.... > > Well, I don't fully agree there. See my response here: http://forum.world.st/Re-Pharo-users-OT-slightly-What-makes-other-dialects-enjoyable-for-you-WAS-difference-between-double-tp5098137p5098178.html I don't mind Pharo moving forward in innovation and with more radical changes beyond traditional Smalltalk etc etc. But then don't call it "business friendly". It's not that you have 100 paid engineers to work on it. IMHO you cannot correctly target both. Best regards, -- Mariano Martinez Peck Email: marianop...@gmail.com Twitter: @MartinezPeck LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/mariano-martinez-peck <https://www.linkedin.com/in/mariano-mart%C3%ADnez-peck/> Blog: https://marianopeck.wordpress.com/
