I reopened while reporting the abuser (and block him). But frankly, I do not think the discussion will end in anything useful (here or there).
Esteban > On 19 Sep 2019, at 14:38, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas > <offray.l...@mutabit.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > I really liked the way the conversation was advancing on the PR before it was > used to insult one of the members of the community. I don't know if closing > the whole thread on the PR is only the way to keep the trolls out of it, > because it also keeps everyone who is trying to make a good contribution from > civilized conversation. There is another way on GitHub to only keep trolls > out while making the conversation available for the ones willing to build > from it? > > Cheers, > > Offray > > On 19/09/19 6:49 a. m., Esteban Lorenzano wrote: >> >> >>> On 19 Sep 2019, at 12:22, PBKResearch <pe...@pbkresearch.co.uk >>> <mailto:pe...@pbkresearch.co.uk>> wrote: >>> >>> I don’t think this conversation can be closed while things are in the >>> present unclear situation. The github entry at >>> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/blob/Pharo8.0/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md >>> <https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/blob/Pharo8.0/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md> >>> is still there, and has been there since last May. The github discussion on >>> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/4637 >>> <https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/4637> was abruptly closed by >>> Stephane Ducasse, after some intemperate comments about Serge Stinckwich. >> >> Yes it can be closed. >> As we will close ANY thread/issue/PR that directly insults one of the >> members of the community. >> Even more important: We can close it if thread has been highjacked by >> someone that has no name, no repositories, not anything that makes you think >> is a real member of the community or just a troll. >> >> Members can do things right or wrong, as they are human beings. But emitting >> opinions in the way they were emitted about what they did is a no-go. >> >> So yes, you can discuss anything you want. >> But I personally will moderate any thread that does not discusses things in >> a civilised way. >> >> So you have been warned :) >> >> Esteban >> >> PS: I will also remember you that the purpose of this community is to make >> Pharo a great development environment. >> And we are all here because we all pursue that. >> We create a software that is open source and wants to have some social >> value added. >> >>> This is therefore the only place questions can be asked. >>> >>> We now know that Serge posted the Code without prior discussion with the >>> board. Did he have authority to do this on behalf of the Pharo community? >>> Does the fact that he did so mean it is officially adopted by the community >>> – not just for this mailing list, but for all Pharo activities? If Serge >>> did not have authority, shouldn’t it just be removed, at least until the >>> board have discussed it? >>> >>> The PR mentioned above was a proposal by James Foster that, if we need a >>> code of conduct, it should be the ACM code. The PR has now been closed. >>> Does that mean that James’s proposal has been rejected? If so, why? >>> >>> If the conversation is closed now, that means that we are tacitly accepting >>> that the code is there and in force, and also tacitly accepting how it got >>> there. What is necessary is for the board collectively, or someone >>> representing the board, to tell us what the situation is and what is going >>> to happen next – preferably with justifications. >>> >>> Peter Kenny >>> >>> From: Pharo-users <pharo-users-boun...@lists.pharo.org >>> <mailto:pharo-users-boun...@lists.pharo.org>> On Behalf Of Steve Quezadas >>> Sent: 19 September 2019 03:35 >>> To: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org >>> <mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org>> >>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] R: Code of Conduct >>> >>> Yeah, I agree. Why is this even here? The thing I like about this maillist >>> is that its very community oriented and everyone here helps each other. >>> It's devoid of all the political-soapbox nonsense that I would find on, >>> say, facebook. Which is why I don't deal with that platform anymore. >>> >>> And most of this is common sense anyway. Yeah, don't harass people and make >>> fun of them or whatever, Like most people on this list doesn't already know >>> that. Im very vocal about certain political and social opinions, am not >>> ashamed about my opinions, am open about it, is currently "unpopular" but >>> don't discuss them here because it's offtopic and I don't want to piss off >>> people in any event. I don't want it turning into another facebook >>> basically. >>> >>> I think we should all close this conversation, it's offtopic and not >>> relevant to any problems this list has in any meaningful way. >>> >>> - Steve >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 1:07 PM Kasper Østerbye <kasper.oster...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:kasper.oster...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> When I read the Code of conduct which is part of Pharo, my reaction was >>>> "OK, I don't expect to run into trouble over that one, so no worries". >>>> >>>> After having read the discussion here I would rather it was not there. >>>> >>>> -- Kasper >>>> >>
