Thanks Esteban. I'm more hopeful about where community conversation can take us... let's give it time.
Cheers, Offray On 19/09/19 7:43 a. m., Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > I reopened while reporting the abuser (and block him). > > But frankly, I do not think the discussion will end in anything useful > (here or there). > > Esteban > >> On 19 Sep 2019, at 14:38, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas >> <offray.l...@mutabit.com <mailto:offray.l...@mutabit.com>> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I really liked the way the conversation was advancing on the PR >> before it was used to insult one of the members of the community. I >> don't know if closing the whole thread on the PR is only the way to >> keep the trolls out of it, because it also keeps everyone who is >> trying to make a good contribution from civilized conversation. There >> is another way on GitHub to only keep trolls out while making the >> conversation available for the ones willing to build from it? >> >> Cheers, >> >> Offray >> >> On 19/09/19 6:49 a. m., Esteban Lorenzano wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On 19 Sep 2019, at 12:22, PBKResearch <pe...@pbkresearch.co.uk >>>> <mailto:pe...@pbkresearch.co.uk>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I don’t think this conversation can be closed while things are in >>>> the present unclear situation. The github entry >>>> at https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/blob/Pharo8.0/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md >>>> is >>>> still there, and has been there since last May. The github >>>> discussion on https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/4637 was >>>> abruptly closed by Stephane Ducasse, after some intemperate >>>> comments about Serge Stinckwich. >>> >>> Yes it can be closed. >>> As we will close ANY thread/issue/PR that directly insults one of >>> the members of the community. >>> Even more important: We can close it if thread has been highjacked >>> by someone that has no name, no repositories, not anything that >>> makes you think is a real member of the community or just a troll. >>> >>> Members can do things right or wrong, as they are human beings. But >>> emitting opinions in the way they were emitted about what they did >>> is a no-go. >>> >>> So yes, you can discuss anything you want. >>> But I personally will moderate any thread that does not discusses >>> things in a civilised way. >>> >>> So you have been warned :) >>> >>> Esteban >>> >>> PS: I will also remember you that the purpose of this community is >>> to make Pharo a great development environment. >>> And we are all here because we all pursue that. >>> We create a software that is open source and wants to have some >>> social value added. >>> >>>> This is therefore the only place questions can be asked. >>>> >>>> We now know that Serge posted the Code without prior discussion >>>> with the board. Did he have authority to do this on behalf of the >>>> Pharo community? Does the fact that he did so mean it is officially >>>> adopted by the community – not just for this mailing list, but for >>>> all Pharo activities? If Serge did not have authority, shouldn’t it >>>> just be removed, at least until the board have discussed it? >>>> >>>> The PR mentioned above was a proposal by James Foster that, if we >>>> need a code of conduct, it should be the ACM code. The PR has now >>>> been closed. Does that mean that James’s proposal has been >>>> rejected? If so, why? >>>> >>>> If the conversation is closed now, that means that we are tacitly >>>> accepting that the code is there and in force, and also tacitly >>>> accepting how it got there. What is necessary is for the board >>>> collectively, or someone representing the board, to tell us what >>>> the situation is and what is going to happen next – preferably with >>>> justifications. >>>> >>>> Peter Kenny >>>> >>>> *From:* Pharo-users <pharo-users-boun...@lists.pharo.org >>>> <mailto:pharo-users-boun...@lists.pharo.org>> *On Behalf Of *Steve >>>> Quezadas >>>> *Sent:* 19 September 2019 03:35 >>>> *To:* Any question about pharo is welcome >>>> <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org>> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [Pharo-users] R: Code of Conduct >>>> >>>> Yeah, I agree. Why is this even here? The thing I like about this >>>> maillist is that its very community oriented and everyone here >>>> helps each other. It's devoid of all the political-soapbox nonsense >>>> that I would find on, say, facebook. Which is why I don't deal with >>>> that platform anymore. >>>> >>>> And most of this is common sense anyway. Yeah, don't harass people >>>> and make fun of them or whatever, Like most people on this list >>>> doesn't already know that. Im very vocal about certain political >>>> and social opinions, am not ashamed about my opinions, am open >>>> about it, is currently "unpopular" but don't discuss them here >>>> because it's offtopic and I don't want to piss off people in any >>>> event. I don't want it turning into another facebook basically. >>>> >>>> I think we should all close this conversation, it's offtopic and >>>> not relevant to any problems this list has in any meaningful way. >>>> >>>> - Steve >>>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 1:07 PM Kasper Østerbye >>>> <kasper.oster...@gmail.com <mailto:kasper.oster...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> When I read the Code of conduct which is part of Pharo, my >>>>> reaction was "OK, I don't expect to run into trouble over that >>>>> one, so no worries". >>>>> >>>>> After having read the discussion here I would rather it was not there. >>>>> >>>>> -- Kasper >>>>> >>> >
