On 12/8/10 3:25 PM, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
On Wednesday, December 08, 2010 15:03:43 Brad Roberts wrote:
On Wed, 8 Dec 2010, Brad Roberts wrote:
I don't think we have concensus (or even a majority) that suggests moving
forward. I think it does do harm. I think it suggests that we pay
attention to votes, when reality suggests more strongly that we don't.
Fix the behavior first, imho.
Summary so far:
yes
Andrei Alexandrescu
alternate suggestion
David Simcha
no
Brad Roberts
Jesse Phillips
Steve Schveighoffer
Don Clugston
I definitely like the idea of increasing the number of votes and making it
possible to apply multiple votes to a bug. I definitely have more than 10 bugs
that I'd like to vote on. But I do agree that there's little evidence that
highly voted bugs get fixed. I don't think that I've ever had a bug that I've
voted on fixed. And if the votes don't actually mean anything, then I'm not sure
that there's much point in using them.
So, I like the idea of increasing the vote count, but if it doesn't affect what
gets fixed, then perhaps it would be better to just get rid of the voting
entirely. Based on votes, I would have expected stuff like the fact that Object
isn't const-correct to have been fixed ages ago. But there are a number of bugs
which have been around for quite a while which have a number of votes on them
and yet never get fiixed.
The idea is to indeed have votes affect what is being worked on;
otherwise I wouldn't bother you all. My problem is that I now must pawn
votes from some bug to another. But the larger issue is that with few
votes per user and many opened bugs we have essentially a bimodal
distribution, whereas with more votes per user we have a longer,
smoother tail, which is more informative.
I don't really understand the stiff opposition to this. This is not the
time and the place to criticize the past and present of our process, but
instead to take steps to improve it. Part of improving the process, now
that fixing bugs is a major focus, is to figure out a good ranking
function for bugs. And I believe that increasing the number of votes per
user would contribute to that. Could we please push this through? Let's
make it happen.
Thanks,
Andrei
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