In a message dated 3/2/2009 7:25:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, gbogan...@charter.net writes:
Yes, it appears that the 1A motor will fit into the (original) Opera or 1B or III cabinet. ------------ i was not able to accomplish this when I tried it. The spring barrels were too large. allen **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) From cylind...@rogers.com Tue Mar 3 07:53:01 2009 From: cylind...@rogers.com (Herman Wedemire) Date: Tue Mar 3 07:59:48 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Small Spring Service on YouTube: References: <176860.26718...@web62304.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <49abf186.3030...@mediaguide.com> <49abf58e.2010...@cox.net> <49ac1b3b.2000...@comcast.net> <col118-w5219e27cad3b6636aaa14ef6...@phx.gbl> <49ac9b4e.1060...@comcast.net> Message-ID: <901848.44161...@web88301.mail.re4.yahoo.com> I mix a small amount of STP Oil treatment in with the synthetic grease which gives seems to distribute the lube more evenly and?STP really holds on to the spring without flowing away. Any comments?are welcome. Herman ________________________________ From: Walt Sommers <waltsomm...@comcast.net> To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 9:51:58 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Small Spring Service on YouTube: Hi Steved, I pretty much only use synthetic grease and oil for motor work. But there are some important things to consider. I haven't looked at the red Amsoil grease but I suspect it is quite similar to the grease I am using. I don't recall the brand name that I use, but it is a multipurpose synthetic grease that I get from a local Tractor Supply Company store. One of the additives that I look for is polyisobutylene. Not to get too cerebral here, but polyisobutylene is a rubber which increases the viscoelasticity of the lubricant. In a nutshell, it gives a lubricant the ability to pull or stretch as gears, for example, engage and disengage, or as spring windings compress and expand into each other. A lubricant like Vaseline is simply pushed out of the way (which is why you need the graphite mixed with Vaseline). I wouldn't say that one is necessarily better than the other except when it comes to longevity - synthetics last, comparatively, forever. Small amounts of two-stroke oil mixed with something like Mobile-1 works most excellently for those applications that require oils (faster moving parts). The "magic" of two-stroke oil is in fact its viscoelasticity. It "hangs on" for the ride unlike conventional oil which creeps. Although most of the lubricants aren't particularly hazardous to handle I invest heavily in nitrile gloves just to be safe. Walt Steven Medved wrote: Walt, Have you ever used synthetic grease?? I am thinking of trying the red Amsoil grease as it does not have a bad smell.? I REALLY enjoyed your post because you pointed out the dangers associated.? When I remove springs I use the thick leather gloves I have. Steve Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:45:31 -0500 From: waltsomm...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: Small Spring Service on YouTube: ........Was Re: [Phono-L]? ? retarmysgt (William) post regarding Gramophoneshane Thanks for the link Chris: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbPa-VWAzSY I mostly use jigs and fixtures to hold and wind springs because of the numerous services I perform for others and the benefit that they afford me in terms of speed and safety. The technique described is applicable to 1/3 or less of the motors I routinely encounter. Most springs are significantly larger. I don't know the dimensions of the barrel or the spring in the video clip but I am guessing they are no more than about 1" wide, and based on the ease of flexing them they can't be thicker than about .019". Such a hand-held technique is okay for tiny springs like the one shown, but anyone attempting to service springs in machines like the Edison Diamond Disc or Edison Triumph (just to name two) should not attempt the job with such an unsafe and mechanically inadequate arrangement. My grip is that of a high steel worker but it falls short of what the big guns need. Once you start trying to wrestle with two springs in the same barrel or those that are wider than 1 1/4", thicker than .02" and with lengths that exceed 12 feet, the danger factor increases exponentially. I actually enjoy a certain sense of risk when I work on motors and I don't mind getting nipped (Hint: The use of red grease helps hide the damage from my wife), but there is a level at which mere risk becomes high probability. I know that some folks don't wear gloves of any sort when they work on springs, claiming that it reduces their dexterity which they say adds a risk factor that outweighs the potential of getting gashed from Pandora or one of her high tension sisters. Good, thin, Kevlar reinforced gloves are expensive, but one pair costs a fraction of what a trip to the emergency room costs. And some injuries that send you to the emergency room often result in permanent losses of dexterities (I know firsthand - pun intended). I think Shane's video pretty much shows the gore and inevitable goo that one must contend with when confronting spring service and I am glad he posted it. Regards, Walt Chris Kocsis wrote: Hi all, I think this is it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbPa-VWAzSY Cheers, Chris Thatcher Graham wrote: ? Shane, If there's a youtube video that shows how to replace the mainspring that'd help me out. got a link? -- Thatcher shane nolan wrote: ? ? I know him well, because I am gramophoneshane! I have NOT harrassed you. I have NOT spread rumours or lies about you, and quite frankly, I am getting fed up with this kind of nonsense on these forums. I am the one being harrassed by a couple people from Boston, and it all seems to come down to a youtube video I posted, showing the removal & installation of a main spring. I've obviously upset these "repairmen" by showing how easy spring removal is. Now Bill, you have my email address. Please use it with proof of these accusations you are making. I am on a carers pension because I look after my elderly mother, who is close to disabled herself, so why would I harrass anyone because they are in a wheel chair? Your claims are complete nonsense, and posting this sort of rubbish on this & other boards is childish behaviour from someone who should know better. ? ? Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ? ? _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ? _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.5/1979 - Release Date: 03/01/09 17:46:00 Steven Medved wrote: > Walt, > > Have you ever used synthetic grease?? I am thinking of trying the red Amsoil > grease as it does not have a bad smell.? I REALLY enjoyed your post because > you pointed out the dangers associated.? When I remove springs I use the > thick leather gloves I have. > > Steve > >? >> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:45:31 -0500 >> From: waltsomm...@comcast.net >> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org >> Subject: Re: Small Spring Service on YouTube: ........Was Re: [Phono-L]??? >> retarmysgt (William) post regarding Gramophoneshane >> >> Thanks for the link Chris: >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbPa-VWAzSY >> >> I mostly use jigs and fixtures to hold and wind springs because of the >> numerous services I perform for others and the benefit that they afford me >> in terms of speed and safety. The technique described is applicable to 1/3 >> or less of the motors I routinely encounter. Most springs are significantly >> larger. I don't know the dimensions of the barrel or the spring in the video >> clip but I am guessing they are no more than about 1" wide, and based on the >> ease of flexing them they can't be thicker than about .019". Such a >> hand-held technique is okay for tiny springs like the one shown, but anyone >> attempting to service springs in machines like the Edison Diamond Disc or >> Edison Triumph (just to name two) should not attempt the job with such an >> unsafe and mechanically inadequate arrangement. My grip is that of a high >> steel worker but it falls short of what the big guns need. Once you start >> trying to wrestle with two springs in the same barrel or those that are wider than 1 1/4", thicker than .02" and with lengths that exceed 12 feet, the danger factor increases exponentially. I actually enjoy a certain sense of risk when I work on motors and I don't mind getting nipped (Hint: The use of red grease helps hide the damage from my wife), but there is a level at which mere risk becomes high probability. I know that some folks don't wear gloves of any sort when they work on springs, claiming that it reduces their dexterity which they say adds a risk factor that outweighs the potential of getting gashed from Pandora or one of her high tension sisters. Good, thin, Kevlar reinforced gloves are expensive, but one pair costs a fraction of what a trip to the emergency room costs. And some injuries that send you to the emergency room often result in permanent losses of dexterities (I know firsthand - pun intended). >> >> I think Shane's video pretty much shows the gore and inevitable goo that one >> must contend with when confronting spring service and I am glad he posted it. >> >> Regards, >> Walt >> >> >> >> >> Chris Kocsis wrote: >>? ? >>> Hi all, I think this is it: >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbPa-VWAzSY >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> Thatcher Graham wrote: >>>? ? ? >>>> Shane, >>>> >>>> If there's a youtube video that shows how to replace the mainspring that'd >>>> help me out. >>>> got a link? >>>> >>>> -- Thatcher >>>> >>>> shane nolan wrote: >>>>? ? ? ? >>>>> I know him well, because I am gramophoneshane! >>>>> I have NOT harrassed you. I have NOT spread rumours or lies about you, >>>>> and quite frankly, I am getting fed up with this kind of nonsense on >>>>> these forums. >>>>> I am the one being harrassed by a couple people from Boston, and it all >>>>> seems to come down to a youtube video I posted, showing the removal & >>>>> installation of a main spring. >>>>> I've obviously upset these "repairmen" by showing how easy spring removal >>>>> is. >>>>> >>>>> Now Bill, you have my email address. Please use it with proof of these >>>>> accusations you are making. >>>>> I am on a carers pension because I look after my elderly mother, who is >>>>> close to disabled herself, so why would I harrass anyone because they are >>>>> in a wheel chair? >>>>> Your claims are complete nonsense, and posting this sort of rubbish on >>>>> this & other boards is childish behaviour from someone who should know >>>>> better. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>? ? ? Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. >>>>>Take a look _______________________________________________ >>>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>>>? ? ? ? ? ? >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>> >>>>? ? ? ? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >>>? ? ? >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>? ? > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >? _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From rich-m...@octoxol.com Tue Mar 3 10:19:33 2009 From: rich-m...@octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Tue Mar 3 10:19:38 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Opera like Phonograph? In-Reply-To: <11365169e953474cae11b314b5499...@glastrispc> References: <176860.26718...@web62304.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <49abf186.3030...@mediaguide.com> <49abf58e.2010...@cox.net><49ac1b3b.2000...@comcast.net><col118-w5219e27cad3b6636aaa14ef6...@phx.gbl> <49ac57ac.6000...@comcast.net><000401c99b84$8897d510$7501a...@albert> <49acc760.2030...@octoxol.com> <11365169e953474cae11b314b5499...@glastrispc> Message-ID: <49ad74b5.7040...@octoxol.com> He sold that machine after several attempts. I find it hard to believe there would be 2 of them with the same case and horrid handles. George Glastris wrote: > The Looney Tune known as luvmyedisons was on Cape Cod, Massachusetts, so > I don't believe this was the same one. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" <rich-m...@octoxol.com> > To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l@oldcrank.org> > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 12:00 AM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Opera like Phonograph? > > >> look at the case on this thing. Now compare it to a real opera case. >> See the difference? The handles have already been mentioned. This >> looks remarkably like the one that was sold or did not meet the >> reserve several years ago. The seller was luvmyedisons and that >> spelling may not be spot on either. the guy bought everything that >> hit the block and then turned around and tried to sell them at a profit. >> >> Rich >> >> Albert wrote: >>> I am curious about the Almost Opera that just appeared on Ebay. Will >>> an Amberola 1-a mech. fit that well in an opera case? of course the >>> serial plate is gone, but the bedplate color is opera correct, my 1-A >>> is much darker. Also I have never seen a model M reproducer that has >>> been shaved like a trowel, any comments? AL Menashe >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From victr...@triton.net Tue Mar 3 10:55:59 2009 From: victr...@triton.net (George) Date: Tue Mar 3 10:56:05 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Victrola IX Part For Sale References: <691951.97572...@web37001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <27e1946ed311444ab936e6410f9f8...@valuedcb7d4c82> What would you take for the whole thing delivered to Union Jerry? Thank you, George ----- Original Message ----- From: DeeDee Blais To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 9:56 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Victrola IX Part For Sale I ran across a mahogany Victrola IX cabinet with motor board and horn. It's serial #67125 C and the crank hole is 9" from the front and 2.75" from the top of the cabinet. If you need case parts, please contact me off list. Thanks, Jerry Blais _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
