Hello Al, S52182 came with early B 16,259 and the clips. This is my standard I have owned since 1985 and the B does not have the notch for the centering pin. This was the reproducer that got me started with my research. S53411 with B 20895 has a set screw. eBay photo. The B has a factory notch.
Edison never had any definite cutoffs, there is always an intermix. One example is the flat top O and N reproducers. The dome top came out can out in the 41,000 range and after 43,000 you do not see the flat top, yet there are some N reproducers in the 53,000 range with the flat tops. The early O and N dome top with the indented letters is found in the 41,000 to 49,000 range, yet you will see them in the 61,000 and 62,000 range. The more I learn about Edison's phonographs the less I realize I know. Steve > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > From: clockworkh...@aol.com > Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 04:14:47 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Standard Reproducer Ciips to Holding Screw > > Hi Steve: > > My notes differ from the numbers you had. I have Standard S#51888 as having > clips but by S#52180 shipped without them but having the set screw. > > I have often said that Edison machines were assembled but not on a perfectly > inline assembly line. Early parts at the bottom of a parts bin often ended up > on later machines, within reason. It would not surprise me that newer screw > securing carriage arms were put on top of earlier clip arms and those clip > arms were put on later when the bottom of the bin was reached. > > Steve, since you are THE Edison Reproducer expert, how do you explain that > Edison kept making Reproducers with the adjusting arms long after all the > machines had alignment pins and the securing screws? I cannot imagine a > scenario that results in adjusting arm equipped Reproducers being produced > with high serial numbers so much later than the clips were phased out. > > How I would love to have research privileges at the Site... Oh well, these > esoteric questions may be answered by some future scholar. > > Regards, > > Al > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven Medved <steve_nor...@msn.com> > To: phono-l <phono-l@oldcrank.org> > Sent: Thu, Aug 30, 2012 5:40 pm > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Gem Model E > > > > Hello Al, Welcome back. I hope you enjoyed yourself. I have often wondered > when the Edison phonograph carriages went from clips to the set screw. George > Paul tells me Standard 52182 that has the clips and 53411 that has the screw > left the factory in April 1902. He has data that tells when machines left the > factory. I guess the set screw came out in October 1901 as the early B got > the > notch in the 17,000 range and the Model C appeared around 25,000, but this is > only a guess based on the Frow book saying the standard got the push pull > lift > know in October 1901 when it did not get it until around Standard S108,000 > which > would have been way into 1902. It is my idea he got the push pull lift know > and > the set screw mixed up. I have learned it is very hard to pin Edison products > down with dates. Best regards, Steve Steve, > Both No.52182 and No.53411 left the factory about April 1902. Makes sense, > doesn't it? > Best,George > > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > From: clockworkh...@aol.com > > Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 01:59:49 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Gem Model E > > > > > > Hi Steve: > > The highest number Model N Reproducer in a Gem E that I know of is 67830. > > It > is a domed one with the large N on the fishtail weight. > > Hope that helps... > > Al > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
