Given that serial numbers started at 501, that would be extremely early. A real 
find, indeed!

Loran

On Oct 28, 2012, at 3:58 PM, "Bob Maffit" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Jerry:
> 
> thanks for the information. I think I have the earlier one as I don't find
> any "fancy molding" around the machine at all.
> 
> the phonograph ID plate has, what must be the sn of: 504
> 
> Interesting, the machine also has a company id plate as well. It is from
> Sherman, and Clay co. from Spokane. I looked it up and they started a store
> in 1906.
> 
> 
> OH! I was mistaken, I was able to remove the motor from the motor board. I
> just needed a little more time and investigation.
> 
> thanks
> 
> Bob
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
> Behalf Of DeeDee Blais
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 2:16 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [Phono-L] Styles of the VV-XII
> 
>      The first style XII is a little plainer than the later XII.  The doors
> over the horn are very thin.  The later XII has a bit of fancy trim that
> runs around the machine under the lid and the doors over the horn are
> slightly taller.  I think the model was made for slightly over a year and
> production must have been quite evenly split between the two styles.  I
> think the mechanical parts were the same for each style.  
>      I think it's very interesting that when Victor introduced less
> expensive table model Victrolas, like the table model X and slightly later
> the IX, the top of the horn was open and the motor sat in the horn.  Any
> noise produced by the motor came out through the horn.  It must have been an
> effort to use up the more obsolete motors.  One does not normally find
> evidence where Victor blatantly sacrificed quality and performance. Wouldn't
> it be interesting to sit in a meeting where these decisions were made by 
> Victor executives? 
> 
> Jerry Blais
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