Hello Jani,

  even apart from reflection your proposal seems yery good to me. And we
would have a good way to suggest what to keep inside php and can really
be relied on. Sounds good :-)

regards
marcus

Saturday, November 19, 2005, 12:16:43 PM, you wrote:

> On Sat, 19 Nov 2005, Zeev Suraski wrote:

>>
>> At 03:49 19/11/2005, Andi Gutmans wrote:
>>> As I mentioned to Marcus, it seems odd to me to move reflection in the 
>>> first 
>>> place. It seems to me to be very much a language feature and in my opinion, 
>>> should always be enabled. I can't really see a good reason for this move.
>>
>> I have to say that I don't see any good reason for this either.  The idea of 
>> "let's make it less broken" is vague, I don't see any reason why 
>> extensionizing it would help any.
>>
>> The only advantage I heard so far is that various users are likely to bump 
>> into various problems, which may make Jani very happy, but is that a real 
>> reason to go on? :)

>      I'm not the only one in the world who does not use that and does not need
>      it and would like to be able to disable it on will..

>      I'm not proposing (and never did) to make it disabled by default.

>      Perhaps we need to extend the --disable-all configure option:

>        --disable-all=everything|most

>      Where 'most' is the default and everything for us "purists" like you 
> like to
>      say. What I am aiming with all the modularization is to be able to have
>      a very lean PHP build with ONLY the things I allow to be used in our 
> projects..

>      And also getting as many of these "insignificant" memory/speed eaters 
> out.
>      Streams create oceans, you know? :)

>      --Jani




Best regards,
 Marcus

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