I completely agree with Dan on these points.  If you don't want to see 
certain types of posts, or posts from certain people, you are a simple 
procmail rule away from getting rid of them.  Making php-dev a closed list 
is a horrible idea.

-Rasmus

On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, Dan Kalowsky wrote:

> 
> 
> On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, James Cox wrote:
> 
> > I ask a simple question:
> >
> > how many more unsubscribed hard working developers does it take before we
> > realise that we need to ban certain people, and make php-dev (or it's
> > brother) subscribers only, and closed subscription?
> 
> Umm while this sounds like a good idea initially, why are you trying to
> make PHP a closed development project?  This maneuver will make it lots
> more difficult to get any new developers in on the project, and for those
> with one time questions to pose them.
> 
> A moderated list might be a feasible option, but by making a closed
> subscrition system you basically end the open source project ideal.
> 
> >  - We need a place for developer discussion which is not interupted by users
> > who can't read the support guidelines.
> 
> Yes this is a problem in almost every project.  You can read many lists
> and find the same problem.  There is no answer to this.
> 
> >  - We need respite from certain individuals who are not helping PHP, but
> > instead turning good developers away.
> 
> There are killfilies for this very reason.
> 
> >  - We need to have a list that is not full of bugs junk and cvs junk -
> > something for plain developer discussion.
> 
> I disagree with this too.  While the bug notifications are annoying, they
> provide at least an oppertunity to have more developers see them.  Thats
> the best chance given to the project to keep the bug count down.  Be
> honest, how many people write bug free code, or more specifically test on
> platforms other than their primary development choice?  Not many.
> 
> A big -1 on this suggestion.
> 
> >---------------------------------------------------------------<
> Dan Kalowsky                  "Tonight I think I'll walk alone.
> http://www.deadmime.org/~dank  I'll find soul as I go home."
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]              - "Temptation", New Order
> 
> 
> 


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