I think the point Zeev was making is that in real life these days many decision makers are looking for the web services buzz word when choosing a technology. Telling them "PHP supports web services" can only be a good thing in the fight against MS and other giants. In many people's perception SOAP is part of "web services". We're not going to educate the whole software industry *even* if there are inaccuracies out there. And as far as I see it PHP is going to be in a battle with .NET and J2EE. Anyway, it's not worth getting into a long discussion about it I just wanted to explain that perception, as Zeev put it, everything or almost everything.
Andi At 15:39 23/05/2002 -0700, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > > At 00:08 24/05/2002, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > > >I really don't like the term Web Services. SOAP is an RPC mechanism and > > >has nothing to do with the web despite what M$ would like to have you > > >think. > > > > I think that's kind of like saying HTML has nothing to do with the web, but > > anyway, perception is everything. If people look for web services, then > > IMHO, that's what they should find. > >Well, HTML is an intrical part of the Web and I don't see how that can be >compared to SOAP at all. In order for SOAP to be part of the Web it needs >to conform to the HTTP protocol and to the concepts that defines the Web. >It doesn't do that at all today. It has taken the URL and other HTTP >header control data and completely mangled it by pushing content and >commands over it that do not match the semantics of the HTTP header >control data. > >Just because you tunnel something over port 80 to avoid being blocked by >firewalls doesn't suddenly mean you are now a web protocol. This argument >is a current battle within the W3C where a lot of people would like to see >SOAP kicked out of the organization. Nobody has ever threatened to kick >the HTML working groups out of the W3C. > >-Rasmus > > >-- >PHP Development Mailing List <http://www.php.net/> >To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP Development Mailing List <http://www.php.net/> To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
