> On 02 Aug 2016, at 13:10, Matteo Beccati <mat...@beccati.com> wrote: > > Hi Gary, > > On 01/08/2016 17:50, GeeH wrote: >> It was agreed as a group, that voting +1 for the replacement of Paul was >> inherently pointless, as removing Paul as the voting representative is a >> moot action resulting in no perceptible change to the situation. As >> Matthew was one of the public complainants, it should be obvious that as >> a team we still feel that there was a problem with Paul's behaviour. In >> effect, we disagree with Paul's expulsion as a voting representative, >> but still feel there is a problematic situation on the mailing list. We >> also believe that expelling someone should be a last resort when >> mediation has failed and that while mediation was attempted, it was not >> done in a meaningful way with clear goals. > > I was planning to write an email to explain the reasons behind my vote, but I > couldn't have found better words to express my own feelings about it.
I also agree with this post. To me its important that anyone on this list does not see the -1 from Jackalope on the expulsion vote is considered an endorsement with Paul’s discussion style. I have already contacted him before when I wanted to give him concrete feedback. At this point I have not gotten the feeling that Paul is acknowledging that there is a problem. I do think that in the end it will require all sides making a step towards each other building trust and building at least a base line in etiquette. At the same time I feel like its on Paul to clearly communicate that he even cares. I think the “other side” has made it clear that they would prefer mediation over expulsion and I think Paul has so far not shown any willingness to adjust his behavior regardless of offlist or onlist discussions on this topic, so I understand the frustration that led to expulsion vote. There Paul imho rather than mend fences favored to fuel the fire once again. If this was done intentionally or not I cannot tell. regards, Lukas Kahwe Smith sm...@pooteeweet.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "PHP Framework Interoperability Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to php-fig+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to php-fig@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/php-fig/E76F7D3F-D0C7-4D8F-A3C8-4AF0E17BE3C4%40pooteeweet.org. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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