On Mon, Jun 9, 2025, at 2:40 PM, Korvin Szanto wrote:

>> > 3. Grants the ability for Secretaries to create and maintain a 
>> > print-on-demand swag shop if they so choose to allow individuals to 
>> > contribute while spreading the PHP-FIG mission in their communities. I 
>> > would definitely be in the market for PHP-FIG swag
>> 
>> This is an interesting idea.  I don't know how successful it would be, or 
>> what we'd use any such revenue for, but I'm open to discussing it. 
>
> I tried to very clearly define revenue disbursement in my changes, all 
> funds regardless of source are collected into opencollective, and any 
> funding beyond 3 years of expenses is disbursed to the approved 
> recipients in the approved percentages yearly starting with 100% going 
> to PHP Foundation. We don't need or want success particularly, we just 
> want to grant individuals the ability to easily support us in a way 
> that's beneficial to both parties while allowing the Secretaries to do 
> it on their own time as they see fit, or to not do it at all. Also I 
> want a PHP-FIG romper for conferences and this could make that dream 
> come true.
>
>> However, this is a much larger question than just cleaning up the Tidelift 
>> situation so it should be kept to a separate discussion and separate vote.
>
> I disagree on the separate vote concern. As I understand it our 
> expenses are coming due this week and so we have no way to get these 
> changes in place before those have to be paid and so there's 
> effectively no difference whether this is fast-tracked or takes 6 
> months.

To be clear, I'm quite friendly to the idea of official PSR-8 shirts. :-)  But 
this is expanding our revenue streams to another venue we've never considered 
before.  That's a very different matter from "oops, our fiscal agent sold out 
so we need to change the paperwork."  

It's not a question of timeline, it's a separation of concerns question.  Like, 
there's a discussion of whether we want to instruct the Secretaries to do so, 
or if they need CC approval to pick a vendor, if there's kinds of swag we 
especially want/don't want, and so on.  That question should be totally 
distinct from the s/Tidelift/OpenCollective/ question, which should be largely 
perfunctory.

--Larry Garfield

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