i can honestly say when i was a newbie , browsing other peoples code , and 
also especially the pear packages helped me formulate my own style , in 
particular , the pear packages helped alot to understand the structure and how 
to build classes properly , and phpdocs helped to understand a standardised 
and forumlated way to document code properly.

>===== Original Message From Jason Sheets <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> =====
>There is a second edition of MySQL and PHP, the first edition was a very
>good book but was written before the super globals were introduced.
>
>I would recommend going on Amazon and bn.com and reading the reviews.
>There is a lot you can learn from the PHP Manual but if you are truly a
>beginner you would benefit from a good PHP book.  O'reilly also has
>published a PHP book now as well.
>
>Jason
>
>Leif K-Brooks wrote:
>
>> I've seen some PHP books, and honestly, the only book I might buy
>> would be a printed copy of the PHP manual.  It's more in-depth than
>> most books.  Exactly what is your problem with it?
>>
>> Beauford.2002 wrote:
>>
>>> My comment was that they do not use manuals, they use books written
>>> by 3rd parties. Why? Because they are more detailed and go into more
>>> depth than the manual. Also keep in mind that different people have
>>> different learning curves - you may find the manual sufficient,
>>> however, I don't. Further note that schools only teach you the
>>> rudimentary base language - to really understand it is to look at
>>> other peoples code and write your own.
>>>
>>> B.
>>>
>>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>>     From: Leif K-Brooks <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>     To: Beauford.2002 <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>     Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 9:03 AM
>>>     Subject: Re: [PHP] Is there a PHP for Dummies?
>>>
>>>     Rule #1 im programming: what you learn in school is never right! :)
>>>
>>>     Beauford.2002 wrote:
>>>
>>>     I don't find manuals particularly usable and as such would rather
>>>     have a good reference manual that speaks in plain english. I
>>>     don't need to know the technical details - I need to know how it
>>>     works, which I don't find manuals provide. I spent four years in
>>>     college, and not once did they use the manual as the text of
>>>     choice - simply because they are not meant to teach you how to
>>>     use whatever it is your after.
>>>          B.
>>>
>>>         ----- Original Message -----
>>>         From: Leif K-Brooks <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>         To: Beauford.2002 <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>         Cc: PHP General <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>         Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 9:59 PM
>>>         Subject: Re: [PHP] Is there a PHP for Dummies?
>>>
>>>         I can find an answer to nearly any question I have about PHP
>>>         in the manual.  Any examples of what you're unable to find?
>>>
>>>         Beauford.2002 wrote:
>>>
>>>> I found that after the fact, but my question was regarding
>>>> tutorials, books,
>>>> or other docs. This was just an example I used. In general I don't
>>>> find the
>>>> PHP manual very helpful - I tend to get more out of the users
>>>> comments than
>>>> the actual manual..
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Leif K-Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>> To: "Beauford.2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 9:49 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [PHP] Is there a PHP for Dummies?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> After a quick search of the php manual, I came upon
>>>>> http://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.info.php#ini.magic-quotes-gpc, which
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> says:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Sets the magic_quotes state for GPC (Get/Post/Cookie) operations.
>>>>> When
>>>>> magic_quotes are on, all ' (single-quote), " (double quote), \
>>>>> (backslash) and NUL's are escaped with a backslash automatically.
>>>>>
>>>>> Seems to explain it pretty nicely.
>>>>>
>>>>> Beauford.2002 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> No,  the name explains absolutely squat. What is a magic quote?
>>>>>> Sounds
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> like
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> something I smoked in the 60's. Maybe to you it makes sense as
>>>>>> you know
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> what
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> it does. To me it means absolutely nothing - nor does the PHP manual
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> explain
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> B.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Jennifer Goodie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>> To: "Beauford.2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "PHP General"
>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 5:07 PM
>>>>>> Subject: RE: [PHP] Is there a PHP for Dummies?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is a really, really, really poor example.  Tha name says it
>>>>>>> all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> It
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> gets the magic quotes setting for gpc(get, post, cookie).  You can
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> figure
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> out what most PHP functions do just by looking at their names,
>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>> actually what I like about PHP.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Beauford.2002 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 1:54 PM
>>>>>>> To: PHP General
>>>>>>> Subject: [PHP] Is there a PHP for Dummies?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm really tired of trying to figure out the PHP manual and need
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> something
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> that explains things in plain straight forward English. Like
>>>>>>> get_magic_quotes_gpc() for example - the manual says how to use
>>>>>>> it and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> what
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> it returns - but nowhere can I find out what it's for. Does it
>>>>>>> count
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sheep,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> do a quote of the day, or what - maybe I'm just stupid - but in any
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> event
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> have spent more time in the last two weeks searching for things and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> no answers - Any help in pointing me a good straight forward
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> tutorial/manual
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> would be appreciated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> B.
>>>>>>>
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