well i told him it was probably java or something of the sort cuz he uses java in his pages sometimes expecially when it comes to buttons or something of that sort.. he has done about 24 web sites and all but 2 or 3 are framed based with a minimum of 4 frames in it.. 1 for the logo 1 for a nav bar and 2 for content .. if he doesnt do that then he has a logo fram 2 nav bars and a main content frame.. after that it can get up to 6 or even some pages i seen with 8 frames in it... its annoying and i told him that for people that are visually impared (which he is that himself) or people who use jaws for windows screen reader on their computer frames arent the best thing in the world to use.. i told him that frames can be usefull to a point but overall they suck and moreso its a bad thing to get into for the blind users of his pages.. he has the problem though of saying it doesnt make a bit of difference to him if people have frames turned off or cant display frames or the blind people have a hrd time with it...its their problem and not his.. i told him toput a <noframes> section in the pages but he absolutely refuses and so whatever i make with php/sql has to fit in a frame 650 pixels wide and we are running into lots of problems trying to get ie and netscape to show the same thing in both browsers.. so i told him to drop the frames and i basically got yelled at for it..
oh well he said that frames are good for the sighted people because it makes things easier to find and makes the page look better...is this true or are frames just utterly useless? if you want a look at some of the stuff we done go to www.wellstonmichigan.com/members/membersmain.htm and take a look... its a front end part of a program i made for his web site... btw i am also totally blind using jaws for windows and even though i have great concepts of where to put stuff on pages he is telling me its all wrong visually and it needs to be redone so he told me where to put stuff and i had to move everything around on it.. if you do take a look at those pages the whole layout was my idea and i wrote it myself without his changes... let me know if i am doing ok with it or if he is right in that m atter.. sorry if this starting to fall outside php line but as far as php goes i think its important things to concider in my php/sql programming life.. i know im not talking direct code but i do need to know if i have layout problems or if the guy is taking his sight for granted... tnx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darren Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Sunfire'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 3:22 PM Subject: RE: [PHP] php and html differences > No, there are no "test" or "conditional" functions inside HTML, perhaps > he's thinking of JavaScript. All HTML does is tells the browser how to > render the page. It's extremely "dumb" and is best that way. The only > thing I can think of at all is SSI or Server Side Includes which _can_ > do some very limited intelligent things. But that tends to be server > specific and isn't used all that much any more. SSI was handy before > dynamic languages were around such as PHP. > > Frames are just bad, it's too bad they were ever designed. All they do > is provide "compartments" to render text on the browser, again there is > no intelligence involved. Now, I could be wrong here since I stopped > using frames many years ago so do some more research. You can always > check the HTML specs at www.w3c.org or on Netscape's developer site. > Netscape came up with the whole frame thing anyways. > > Frames won't let you display a logo? Get this guy a book on HTML and a > clue at Kmart. > > I have MANY PHP pages that build the screen differently depending on the > way it's called. While it may increase the individual page complexity, > it does reduce overall site complexity. I prefer fewer pages doing more > than tons of pages doing little things. > > I'd say overall you're on the right track and should stick to your guns. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sunfire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 2:26 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [PHP] php and html differences > > > hi.. > > i guess this is a php related question (well sort of) the person i work > with decided that he was going to edit a few of my php scripts that make > a web page out of variables and just different conditions that happen in > the script.. he thought that he could use a gui html editor and edit the > page.. well it worked and nothing happened bad... he just left any > component alone that had a "/" in them next to the name of it.. well the > other thing that happened was in another script i have there is 3 or so > web pages built into the script.. based on what happens from the page > thet calls that script either one of those 3 pages could be displayed.. > well when i told him that depending on what happens with the form that > calls that page 1 of 3 pages can come up because certain things are > being tested and so on.. > > he told me a few things that i dont quite understand (or for that matter > i dont belive what he says is really true).. he said: 1. on the instance > about testing certain conditions to determine what page to show..frames > or a frameset can do exactly the same thing...i told him no it didnt > (who is right?) 2. he asked me in the scripts that have 3 or more pages > built into them how was the logo at the top of the page being shown.. i > just told him that i used normal html and put the logo at the top of the > pages.. he said frames wont let you do that (who is right??) > > so im confused about that one.. he also said that plain html had an if > else statement in it.. i never heard of such a thing... > > can somebody get me unconfused? and is it not really a good idea to have > 3 or more pages built inside a php script? should the pages be called > from the script some way else? > > tnx > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.458 / Virus Database: 257 - Release Date: 2/24/2003 > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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