+1
Jeff Hammerbacher wrote:
Would love to see Pig as a TLP. +1.
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 6:04 PM, Jeff Zhang <zjf...@gmail.com> wrote:
Great, +1
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Olga Natkovich <ol...@yahoo-inc.com>
wrote:
+1
-----Original Message-----
From: Dmitriy Ryaboy [mailto:dvrya...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 5:00 PM
To: pig-dev@hadoop.apache.org
Subject: Re: Restarting discussion on Pig as a TLP
This sounds reasonable. +1.
-D
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Alan Gates <ga...@yahoo-inc.com> wrote:
Five months ago I started a discussion on whether Pig should become a
top
level project (TLP) at Apache instead of remaining a subproject of
Hadoop
(
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/hadoop-pig-dev/201003.mbox/%3c006aea7c-8829-4788-ad7b-822396fa2...@yahoo-inc.com%3e
).
At the time I voted against it (
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/hadoop-pig-dev/201003.mbox/%3cf1484964-e774-48b7-9d45-6e57c7b09...@yahoo-inc.com%3e
),
as did many others. However, I would like to restart that discussion
now.
I gave several reasons for voting against it :
First, I was worried that by loosing our connection to Hadoop, Pig
would
loose its source of new users. I have since been assured by Hadoop
members
that Pig would be free to keep our tab on their page (as Hbase has).
Also,
obviously we would still be welcomed at Hadoop get togethers such as
the
various HUGs, Hadoop Summits, etc. So our connection does not seem in
danger.
Two, I was concerned that by not being members of the Hadoop community
we
would loose influence with Hadoop. It is true that Pig developers will
have
to stay active in the Hadoop community, which will put a slightly extra
burden on them. But they are already bearing this burden, and whether
or
not the communities are governed by the same or separate PMCs will not
affect this.
Finally, I said that philosophically it makes sense to me that all
Hadoop
related projects should stay under one umbrella. This still makes
sense
to
me, and I do see this as a downside of Pig moving out of Hadoop.
In addition to the above, a few other things have happened over the
intervening months to cause me to reconsider. Most importantly, it has
become clear to me that Pig is operating as if it were a TLP inside
Hadoop.
We have four members on the Hadoop PMC, which means we have sufficient
votes to elect our committers and release our products.
Also, several Hadoop PMC members who have long experience in Apache
projects have made clear to me that they believe Pig is ready to be a
TLP.
I was also concerned about diversity in our PMC, since our project is
Yahoo
heavy. Given that 10 out of 12 committers are Yahoo employees we need
to
work on this. But we do have experienced committers in three different
organizations, and I think this gives us sufficient base to to work on
it
as
a TLP.
So, in summary, I have switched my view on this from "not yet" to "now
is
a
good time". I think Pig is ready to be a TLP. We have a community of
contributors and users that is growing both in numbers and in
diversity.
We
have a strong group of committers who I believe are ready to take on
leadership of the project and who will benefit from being mentored by
the
larger Apache community.
Thoughts?
Alan.
--
Best Regards
Jeff Zhang
