There are 2 useful Polaroid film holders (besides the 8x10) 1. the 405 which takes the 31/4 x 41/4 film packs 2. the 545i (or just 545) which takes the 4x5 individual sheets. Do Not buy a 500 or a 550. The 500 just plain doesn't work well anymore (yes I know some people can do it but...) and the 550 4x5 film pack has been discontinued.
The 545 can usually be had for 40-65$US though if you pay attention you can get lucky. The 405 about the same price. The 3x4 film packs are always available on Ebay pretty cheaply. The only disadvantage is you can't change film types in the middle of the pack w/o losing film. Have a great holiday andy -----Original Message----- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??????? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???????]On Behalf Of Uptown Gallery Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 12:12 AM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??????? Subject: [pinhole-discussion] 4 x 5 film holder Hello: I haven't been able to find a reasonablly priced 4 x 5 filmholder on eBay - I quit at a certain price or someone else just wants them worse than I do. Can someone please explain the similarity or difference between 'film holder' like Lisco, Graflex, etc. and so called 'film packs'? Physical and operational differences would be nice, and do film packs come in B/W? I built my own foam core 4 x 5 ish camera (3 little pigs style, just used whatever stuff I could find) prior to seeing the Stanford U web page but haven't figured out how the Stanford U project one works with film holders, or if a generic method would work without an 'official' holder. Thank you Murray ----- Original Message ----- From: <pinhole-discussion-request@p at ???????> To: <pinhole-discussion@p at ???????> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 12:09 PM Subject: Pinhole-Discussion digest, Vol 1 #523 - 12 msgs > Send Pinhole-Discussion mailing list submissions to > pinhole-discussion@p at ??????? > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/pinhole-discussion > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pinhole-discussion-request@p at ??????? > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??????? > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Pinhole-Discussion digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: Re: Zone plates (Gary) > 2. TEST (Colin Talcroft) > 3. Re: TEST (b2myo...@aol.com) > 4. Re: TEST (TSHACK) > 5. Re: Colin - Zero Image 4x5 (Tom Harvey) > 6. Re: Colin - Zero Image 4x5 (Tom Harvey) > 7. Re: Re: Colin - Zero Image 4x5 (Gary Shap) > 8. RE: Kodak Rapid Access developer/graphic arts film (Chuck Flagg) > 9. Re: TEST (cmcbe...@aol.com) > 10. Re: : Zone plates (Zernike Au) > 11. Re: Kodak Rapid Access developer/graphic arts film (neuhausph...@aol.com) > 12. RE: Kodak Rapid Access developer/graphic arts film (Gordon J. Holtslander) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > From: "Gary" <g...@airport.flyer.co.uk> > To: <pinhole-discussion@p at ???????> > Subject: RE: [pinhole-discussion] Re: Zone plates > Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 18:08:32 -0000 > Organization: Gary > Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??????? > > I doubt that a domestic printer would give good enough coverage or > resolution etc but many graphic arts bureaux have high quality > imagesetters in-house these days. I've not used them for zone plates but > I've found that most will happily output a PostScript file (or other > formats) at very reasonable cost. > > Gary > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??????? > [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???????] On Behalf Of Zernike Au > Sent: 17 November 2001 23:14 > To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??????? > Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Re: Zone plates > > > Michele wrote: > > > > My other question is has anyone had success creating and outputing > these > > > > completely digitally -Is there a printer that can create a fine > enough > > > > resolution image to make good zoneplates? > > > > > > I think Zernike makes his ZPs digitally, don't hold your breath > waiting > for > > > him to contribute to this or any other thread, though (hope he > proves me > > > wrong!!). If I were to speculate. he may have a comercial image > setter > shop > > > giving him a complete sheet of film with lots of ZPs of different > focal > > > lengths as output from a digital file he may produce with Corel or > similar > > > program. I never seen one (digitally produced ZP) but I guess they > have > > > jagged edges compared with "analog" made ZPs, that may or may not > have > any > > > consecuences on the final image they produce. And no, I don't think > a > > > consumer or low end comercial printer would work. Should you find > the > > > opposite, let us know, pls. > > Hi! > > I have a CI5000 Polaroid Film Recorder, and if anyone is interested in > > developing a Photoshop or similar file to print zone plates with > varying > > focal lengths, I would be interested in working on this project. I > don't > > really have the knowledge to develop the file, but I would be able to > print > > them out and share with other pinhole discussion members who would be > willing > > to work on this project. > > Hello Michele, > Sorry I have miss this thread. > You are right, I make my ZPs digitally. I am not doing it at home. I > must > send it to a professional output company. They have high-end equipment > to > meet the high standard and they charge me in a rather high rate! > (because > they have to special tune their machine according to our request) > If you want to make your own, use the re-photo method. > You can try to print a zone plate to a transparent with your print (not > matter what is the resolution, use the highest you can) and mount it to > your > camera and shot. You will got your own special zone plate camera that no > one > can do the same as yours. > I have try star-shape (star instead of circle) zone plate, irregular > zone > plate, oval-shape zone plate. I take the photo with all this zone plates > by > guess the exposure time (because it is impossible to find a formula to > calculate the f/stop or the exposure time). I can't believe! They all > works! > The image is poetic (just my opinion :-)) > The pinhole world is amazing, just try it and you will always got a big > surprise. Enjoy it! > > Zernike > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??????? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???????/discussion/ > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 11:16:47 -0800 (PST) > From: Colin Talcroft <ctalcr...@yahoo.com> > To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??????? > Subject: [pinhole-discussion] TEST > Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??????? > > Sorry, List > > I got six copies of my own message to the list > yesterday from the list server--bizarre. Did that > happen to everyone? If so, I'm sorry. I sent it only > once. Am sending this as a test. > > Colin > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals > http://personals.yahoo.com > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > From: b2myo...@aol.com > Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 15:10:43 EST > Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] TEST > To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??????? > Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??????? > > > In a message dated 11/18/01 3:18:16 PM, ctalcr...@yahoo.com writes: > > << Did that > happen to everyone? >> > > It happened to me. > But then, it's always nice hearing from you. > LOL > leezy > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > From: "TSHACK" <tsh...@silver-bayou.com> > To: <pinhole-discussion@p at ???????> > Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] TEST > Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:19:24 -0800 > Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??????? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Colin Talcroft" <ctalcr...@yahoo.com> > To: <pinhole-discussion@p at ???????> > Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 11:16 AM > Subject: [pinhole-discussion] TEST > > > > Sorry, List > > > > I got six copies of my own message to the list > > yesterday from the list server--bizarre. > > I just thought you got six cameras, all in one day. I thought "Lucky guy. > A little compulsive, but hey....." > > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:41:55 -0800 > To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??????? > From: Tom Harvey <harv...@aracnet.com> > Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Re: Colin - Zero Image 4x5 > Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??????? > > >Also, just received my Zero Image 4x5 camera. Very > >elegant camera that is fun and easy to use. Kudos > >again to you Zernike. Just wish I had ordered the > >shutter that works with the cable release. Can this be > >added afterwards? How do you connect it? > > > >Colin > > Colin, > > Care to give us a mini-review of the camera? Did you get multiple > extensions and extra pinholes or zone plates with the turret? How > does the film back work? > > Tom > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:41:55 -0800 > To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??????? > From: Tom Harvey <harv...@aracnet.com> > Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Re: Colin - Zero Image 4x5 > Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??????? > > >Also, just received my Zero Image 4x5 camera. Very > >elegant camera that is fun and easy to use. Kudos > >again to you Zernike. Just wish I had ordered the > >shutter that works with the cable release. Can this be > >added afterwards? How do you connect it? > > > >Colin > > Colin, > > Care to give us a mini-review of the camera? Did you get multiple > extensions and extra pinholes or zone plates with the turret? How > does the film back work? > > Tom > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 7 > From: Gary Shap <gs...@mindspring.com> > To: <pinhole-discussion@p at ???????> > Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 17:03:52 -0600 > Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: Colin - Zero Image 4x5 > Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??????? > > <HTML><HEAD> > <BASEFONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D"2" COLOR=3D"#000000"> > </HEAD> > <BODY bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"> > <p>Tom,</p> > <p> </p> > <p>I just received my zero image 4x5 yesterday. I picked up= > 2 extensions, plus the shutter and had it installed. = > Camera looks great, and is easy to use. Of course, I've= > only taken 2 pics with it (polaroids) to check it out real= > quick. I took them both at 25 mm (no extensions), one= > being zone plate, one pinhole. Both images looked= > great. I plan on taking many more over the next week, to= > put it through its paces.</p> > <p> </p> > <p>The film back attaches with 2 rubber bands. Nice low= > tech solution. I'm planning on carrying extra rubber bands= > when shooting with the camera.</p> > <p> </p> > <p>Gary Shap</p> > <p> </p> > <p><br> > <br> > On Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:41:55 -0800, Tom Harvey wrote:<br> > <FONT COLOR=3D"#800000">>>Also, just received my Zero Image= > 4x5 camera. Very</FONT><br> > <FONT COLOR=3D"#800000">>>elegant camera that is fun and easy= > to use. Kudos</FONT><br> > <FONT COLOR=3D"#800000">>>again to you Zernike. Just wish I= > had ordered the</FONT><br> > <FONT COLOR=3D"#800000">>>shutter that works with the cable= > release. Can this be</FONT><br> > <FONT COLOR=3D"#800000">>>added afterwards? How do you= > connect it?</FONT><br> > <FONT COLOR=3D"#800000">>></FONT><br> > <FONT COLOR=3D"#800000">>>Colin</FONT><br> > <FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">></FONT><br> > <FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">>Colin,</FONT><br> > <FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">></FONT><br> > <FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">>Care to give us a mini-review of the= > camera? Did you get multiple</FONT><br> > <FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">>extensions and extra pinholes or zone= > plates with the turret? How</FONT><br> > <FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">>does the film back work?</FONT><br> > <FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">></FONT><br> > <FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">>Tom</FONT><br> > <FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">></FONT><br> > <FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">></FONT><br> > <FONT= > COLOR=3D"#000080">>____________________________________________= > ___</FONT><br> > <FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">>Pinhole-Discussion mailing= > list</FONT><br> > <FONT= > COLOR=3D"#000080">>Pinhole-Discussion@p at ???????</FONT><br> > <FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">>unsubscribe or change your account= > at</FONT><br> > <FONT COLOR=3D"#000080">><a= > href=3D"http://www.???????/discussion/";>http://www.pinh= > olevisions.org/discussion/</a></FONT><br> > <br> > </p> > </body></html> > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 8 > From: "Chuck Flagg" <cfla...@home.com> > To: <pinhole-discussion@p at ???????> > Subject: RE: [pinhole-discussion] Kodak Rapid Access developer/graphic arts film > Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 18:21:41 -0600 > Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??????? > > I think the AGFA plate fim I aquired & inquired about on list a couple weeks > ago is similar. I contacted a graphic artist I know who has used the film > but they had not relayed info yet. If I get some I will send it on. > Chuck Flagg > > "Kodak Rapid Access developer/graphic arts film They didn't tell me what > brand or type, but said they use 'Rapid Access'developer." > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 9 > From: cmcbe...@aol.com > Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 20:58:30 EST > Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] TEST > To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??????? > Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??????? > > > --part1_c5.19749646.2929c146_boundary > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Hi I am new to this list my name is Chris and I just started using a pinhole > camera a few months ago and loving it. Hope to learn some things from this > group. > > > > --part1_c5.19749646.2929c146_boundary > Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3>Hi I am new to this list my name is Chris and I just started using a pinhole camera a few months ago and loving it. Hope to learn some things from this group. > <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"> > <BR></FONT></HTML> > > --part1_c5.19749646.2929c146_boundary-- > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 10 > From: "Zernike Au" <zern...@zeroimage.com> > To: <pinhole-discussion@p at ???????> > Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 21:25:06 -0000 > Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Re: : Zone plates > Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??????? > > > I'm sure others will agree with me when I say that I'd > > love to see some of the images you've created with > > your odd zone plate shapes. > > Colin > > Dear Colin, > Not a problem. Just let me some time, I put my photo here and there, a bit > messy, I need to find it out. I once promise to show some of my mezzotint to > other members but still don't have time to prepare it. > Maybe some of you can try your own special shape zone plate and we post it > together later. > > > Zernike > > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 11 > From: neuhausph...@aol.com > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 08:24:06 EST > Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Kodak Rapid Access developer/graphic arts film > To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??????? > Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??????? > > Rapid Access is a high contrast lith film that develops in a 1 part developer > that gives full development in about 10 seconds hence the name....it's really > designed for machine processing. Regular high contrast lith film is designed > for a 2 part A+B lith developer and develops slowly. For graphic arts work > the A+B gives better half tone dot structure but since we're talking > photography here we are already pushing the boundaries of what the material > is supposed to do. If all you can find is radid access film try it; it's more > common these days as print shop and graphic studio darkrooms become more > scarce. If you need some of the old lith film I know a supplier that sells > 100 sheet box of 12x18 for about $100. > > Mike > > > In a message dated 11/18/01 0:54:13 AM, gall...@uptowngallery.org writes: > > << Hello: > > > I inquired with the local newspaper regarding their large sheet film > > thinking it would be economical for large format experiments. > > > They didn't tell me what brand or type, but said they use 'Rapid Access' > > developer. > > > Anyone know if this is a common product or industrial? I don't recognize it, > > but that doesn't mean anything. > > > Anyone ever use such graphic arts film? > > > Thanks > > > Murray > > >> > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 12 > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 10:02:49 -0600 (CST) > From: "Gordon J. Holtslander" <hol...@duke.usask.ca> > Subject: RE: [pinhole-discussion] Kodak Rapid Access developer/graphic arts film > To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??????? > Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??????? > > Rapid Access Developer will likely give you a high contrast image. Its > not likely what you want. > > You can make these films give a continuous tone by using a very low > contrast developer. People use highly diluted print developers such as > dektol diluted 1:30. > > The contrast is dependent upon the dilution. The more diluted the lower > the contrast. > > A more reliable technique is to use a developer specifically formulated to > develop high contast film to a continuous tone negative. > > I have had very good success using a specially formulated low contrast > developer called LC-1 > > see http://members.aol.com/fotodave/Articles/LC-1.html - though you must > mix this yourself. > > The biggest negative I've done so far is 12 by 18 inches. > > Gord > > On Sun, 18 Nov 2001, Chuck Flagg wrote: > > > I think the AGFA plate fim I aquired & inquired about on list a couple weeks > > ago is similar. I contacted a graphic artist I know who has used the film > > but they had not relayed info yet. If I get some I will send it on. > > Chuck Flagg > > > > "Kodak Rapid Access developer/graphic arts film They didn't tell me what > > brand or type, but said they use 'Rapid Access'developer." > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??????? > > unsubscribe or change your account at > > http://www.???????/discussion/ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------- > Gordon J. Holtslander Dept. of Biology > hol...@duke.usask.ca 112 Science Place > http://duke.usask.ca/~holtsg University of Saskatchewan > Tel (306) 966-4433 Saskatoon, Saskatchewan > Fax (306) 966-4461 Canada S7N 5E2 > --------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??????? > http://www.???????/discussion/ > > End of Pinhole-Discussion Digest > _______________________________________________ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??????? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???????/discussion/
