On Monday 12 January 2015 12:12:07 Martin Klapetek wrote: > On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Martin Gräßlin <mgraess...@kde.org> wrote: > > > Also what exactly does suck about it? > > > > The problems with the non natural layouts are various, e.g.: > > * windows might get too small as all windows have same size > > I believe that's not really a problem, see the screenshot I posted above > with 16 windows. > I have no data for this claim, but I don't think that many people actually > have more than 10 > windows opened at once? And there's the label.
at the moment I have 21 open windows. As I'm writing now this mail it increased to 22. I don't think that it's that uncommon to have many open windows - from bug reports I can be sure that it can be > 30. Please also consider that this is also used in DesktopGrid. So the thumbs get smaller there. > > I actually find the windows in Natural to be sometimes even smaller. > > > * windows might move to a bad position, e.g. a window from the top left > > goes > > to bottom right > > Hmm...that might be an issue for some, yes. Personally I've never associated > the window position on screen with the position of the window in the > effect. Perhaps because I never really got to see the zoom out animation > (all my systems > were always with binary nvidia and there the animation is just 0.5s freeze) > and so the visual clue was broken. Dunno. > > > The natural layout tries to optimize that by using an algorithm using size > > and > > position as reference. The downside is that the layout might appear to be > > random. But so would a movement all across the screen look random. > > I do dare to say that I don't understand this algorithm at all and I > believe so do > other people. The algorithm is not as complex as it looks :-) I'm quite confident that you would understand it. Also another better suited algorithm could be implemented. I had been dreaming of using a max-flow/min-cut based algorithm for years. Or an algorithm which tries to keep windows as large as possible but still orders them in a grid. > The advantage of the grid would be that the all windows are > presented in a uniform and consistent form, even if the sorting is > random/not ideal. > > In this case, imo the looks outweight the negative of the grid as you get > the same > (moreless) negatives in the Natural look. I personally doubt that the existing options are better suited than the natural layout. I'm not doubting that there could be a better algorithm, though. > > Do you have a link to the VDG thread btw? sure: https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=285&t=123481 Cheers Martin
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