On 22/05/2012, at 11:59 PM, Matt Hamilton wrote:
On 22 May 2012, at 13:00, Dylan Jay wrote:
On 22/05/2012, at 5:47 PM, Shigeo Honda wrote:
I worry about PyCon is 'die-hard' python developer event and not
suitable for Plone. So, I'd like to know how Plone community work
with PyCon in other countries. What kind of session is good for
PyCon
attendees? Please let me know your experience in PyCon.
I appreciate any advice and comments.
Not sure if it means anything but our company submitted 4 talks for
pyconau this year. The two plone related talks were the two rejected.
It got me to thinking about the plone communities relationship to
the python community.
I think open source is spread by fans, people not directly involved
with the software itself. Those fans exist in a much larger
community than plone itself. It makes me think that if the python
community aren't fans of Plone, then where are our fans?
Sorry it's a little negative and off topic.
Similar experiences with Europython the past few years. There were a
load of Plone talks submitted this year, and the only ones accepted
were the ones that did not mention Plone in the title.
As is already said, Plone in and of itself is not new and shiny.
People naturally want the new and shiny things at conferences like
this I think. But with regards to Python and Plone I think it is
slightly deeper than that. I really don't know why, but it does seem
that Plone still has a bit of a bad taste for 'die hard' python
people.
One thing I did at a conference this weekend was to install Plone
from scratch during a 5-minute lightning talk. I can do it in under
3 minutes. Basically running virtualenv, paster, buildout, bin/
instance fg. The idea was to show to python people that Plone is
*not* some difficult thing to get going with.
for the record the talk I did submit didn't mention plone. It was
called something like "zero to website hero in 30min" and was going to
a complete themed site from start to end in 30min talk slot. Now I'm
just going to have to do the same thing in a 5min lightning talk slot :)
The question of whether trying to promote Plone at the PyCon-type
events is worth the effort is a fundamental one. I go through phases
of thinking its not worth the effort and we are banging our heads
against brick walls… but then, I'm not sure how else we are going to
get new developers into the community. We can work on the business
level and aim at business conferences and do case study talks and
the likes and hope that business decision makes choose Plone and
drag developers along that way.
We need developers but they don't have to be die hard python devs.
Python devs like making frameworks not themes :) Maybe we should be
speaking at php conferences :)
My only other idea is to stick to doing talks on specific bits of
technology that are new and shiny and showcase them. Things like
Diazo… then again, I submitted a Diazo talk to Europython and that
was not accepted either :(
-Matt
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