On 2003/02/26 08:43:44, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > The Free Software Definition is kept at
> > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html and is
> > linked from the front page
> > of the Plucker web site at the words "Free
> > Software".
> 
> > Plucker is Free software. 
> > Sun Java is not. 
> > The Sun Java licence also has a nasty legal
> > timebomb, the termination
> > clause.
> 
> I concur 100%. There was a time when AvantGo was free
> in price, but the licence isn't GPL, so the screws can
> be turned later on if need be. AvantGo started their
> fees on distribution of channels >8 users, once their
> financial situation worsened. Sun unfortunately is
> also in hard times and doesn't look like things are
> about to reverse anytime soon. I wonder if they will
> convert Java to GPL, or not.

I'd like to make sure my notion of Free Software meshes with
other people's... (All "Free" references here are the
free-as-in-freedom kind.)

A Java program can be released under the GPL. However, is that
Java program Free Software?

To be Free Software, I think it has to be able to built using
Free tools and run in a Free environment. (That's my
interpretation, at any rate.)

Given that, I'd think a Java program could only be considered
Free Software if it compiled and ran using GCJ and Kaffe or GCJ
to native code. (Compiling non-free bytecode classes to native
code doesn't count.) (I'm not suggesting that JPluck try to do
that. I don't think the Classpath library is sufficient yet and
I love JPluck the way it is!)

Similary, I'd think a Palm OS program (or a Windows program)
could only be considered Free Software it it ran on a Free OS in
addition to the Palm OS.  The program would be Free, but the
Palm OS version wouldn't be.  It needs a non-Free environment to
run and it requires the non-Free Palm OS SDK to build.

I think I heard there's a gtk version of the viewer. Is that
true?

This is probably mincing words and there's probaly really a
continuum of Free notions. I get a headache if I start trying to
think about how the hardware, BIOS, and firmware fits it.
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