Enough said. "Natural" scroll is an abomination. On Aug 25, 2016 6:16 PM, "Keith Smith" <techli...@phpcoderusa.com> wrote:
> > > Scroll. > > On 2016-08-24 21:14, Victor D Odhner wrote: > >> I retired from my *nix work early 2013 and have left technical >> projects for people activities. I have used a Macbook Pro since then, >> and love it for portability and ruggedness - yay SSD!, I've fumbled it >> a few times when running, once on concrete, keeps on ticking. I have >> not been a developer in that environment, yet have noted several >> little breaks in compatibility that could trip you up. I'm sure there >> are web sites discussing that. >> >> I still visit my mint/mate desktop periodically as my "real home." I >> also use a Mac Mini at church running music apps, and that was a great >> and affordable choice. >> >> We have bought the extended warranty and I enjoyed several >> consultations at the Genius Bar, for other Macs in the family; now >> those are mostly replaced by Windows boxes, largely second hand. (I >> use Computers&? -- "Computers And Questions" -- on Tatum south of >> Bell, true geeks who give solid service on not-new boxes for not-rich >> clients.) >> >> Remember that Mac is a culture, designed for people with a twitter >> attention span. Apple cares not at all about making this work with >> other brands. Like M$ and Google, they want to own you. They nag you >> to take new OS updates, adding features for better one-ness with all >> your other Apple toys (I have none) and possibly breaking >> geek-critical functions. And remember how Motorola users were >> abandoned when they switched to Intel. >> > > > I wrote a research paper on Apple in about 1989. That was when I learned > Apple had twice failed to be backward compatible during upgrades. That and > the cost kept me away from Apple way back then. > > > > > >> So while a Macbook *is* great in a lot of ways, doing nice glossy >> things and looking a lot like home when you're on the command line, >> you might want to keep a Linux system warmed up to host some basic >> functions that Apple can't make money on and therefore won't mind >> screwing up. >> >> Good luck. >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Eric Oyen >> Date:2016/08/24 20:22 (GMT-07:00) >> To: Main PLUG discussion list >> >> Subject: Re: MacBook >> >> who was screaming that the post was irrelevant? I certainly wasn't. :) >> >> At the end of the day, Linux still needs a lot of work to be >> considered to be a viable desktop production environment. >> >> can you get quicken for linux? what about Peachtree? How about a full >> office suite that can do the same things that MS office can do? what >> about some of the other mainstream office and production apps? are >> there many equivalents or direct replacements? THis is the primary >> problem I have seen with linux over the years. great OS support, but >> lousy where it counts. >> >> -eric >> >> On Aug 24, 2016, at 5:24 PM, James Dugger wrote: >> >> Short answer: Regarding Business productivity - My advice go with >>> the Macbook Pro. Also I believe you can get a 13-inch with 16GB and >>> a 500GB SSD for less than $2k. >>> >>> I switched from Microsoft to Linux on all servers and desktops in my >>> former business only to switch the desktops to Apple products from >>> Linux. Linux just doesn't have parody in new application >>> implementations on the desktop where it mattered. And I haven't met >>> a business owner yet who was willing to hang out in Linux until >>> someone got around to making it work. >>> >>> Regarding the cost - My experience is the any of the professional >>> line laptops in any brand end up with a unit cost of use less than >>> their cheaper counterparts. The MacBook Pro is no different and is >>> comparably priced to any of these lines when you spec the stuff >>> inside. >>> >>> MacBook Pro is the developers choice because at any price it is the >>> only product on which you can easily build a development environment >>> for any of the other environments. If your going to spend $2k on a >>> laptop it better work in all of the possible environments in which >>> may need to develop. >>> >>> A question was asked regarding the relevance of posting this to a >>> Linux list. How about this - I love Linux and develop products that >>> are used in the tens of thousands of Linux instances in my company >>> everyday... but I could write a book about how frustrating it is >>> that I don't have the option to have Linux as a viable OS option on >>> the desktop in a business use case, ironically in a company that is >>> central to the use of Linux in an industry. >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 12:31 PM, Eric Oyen <eric.o...@icloud.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> yes, as my old 2007 whitebook can attest. unfortunately, the >>> software and some of the apps are no longer supported and getting >>> anything newer on here just isn't going to happen. where does this >>> leave me? well, stuck on old hardware that is becoming less and less >>> useful as apps and web design make it harder to cope. At some point, >>> I just might decide to put paid to OS X lion and do a full linux >>> install on here. >>> >>> SOme of the features of OS X that I will miss: >>> keychains (this password vault has been a lifesaver) >>> apps that "just work" without having to tweak or prod. >>> easy to use interface for the blind (voiceover) >>> and just about anything else not covered by the above. >>> >>> SOme things I am looking forward to as I transition to Linux on this >>> device: >>> upgraded applications capable of new and interesting things >>> support for apps that use GTK, perl, ruby, and other >>> scripts/programming languages that can be easily adapted for the >>> blind (hell, all the libraries to do this are built in). >>> enhanced performance (linux still has the lowest overhead of any OS >>> I know of other than OpenBSD). >>> Security (windows still can't touch this!). >>> access to utilities and applications not readily available on other >>> platforms. >>> OPEN SORCE >>> mostly free (or low cost through donation) - I am willing to pay if >>> my budget supports it. >>> >>> now, I have been a long time user of Linux (really since almost its >>> beginnings) and also a longtime member of PLUG (one of the original >>> steering committee members here!). >>> >>> Still, there is something to be said for an OS/machine that "just >>> works". I just wish apple would hop on the Linux bandwagon and offer >>> an alternative OS for those times when OS X seems too bloated. >>> >>> -Eric (founder of the Technomage Guild) >>> >>> On Aug 24, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Alan Dayley wrote: >>> >>> My younger son is still using my five year old 15" MacBook Pro. It >>> has no problems. I replaced the hard drive with a Samsung SSD about >>> four years ago only because I wanted the improved performance. The >>> whole system as zero problems. >>> >>> My older son is now using my four year old 13" MacBook Air. It has >>> had zero problems except that the battery doesn't hold a charge for >>> more than 2 hours any more. Normal battery wear. That notebook spent >>> four years traveling all over with me, almost every week in my bag >>> going and coming from somewhere. The only physical issue is a few of >>> the keyboard key tops are scratched down from my fingernails. >>> >>> I have run Ubuntu and Mint on both of the systems without issue. >>> Though I confess to spending most of my time in OS X. >>> >>> I now have a four month old 13" MacBook Air. Has double the RAM of >>> my previous unit. It helps. Buy as much RAM as you can. >>> >>> Apple hardware, in my experience, is both beautiful and durable. >>> >>> Alan >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Anon Anon <lokotejo...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I have a MacBook pro I use at work. It's a Mac. It'll work. It's a >>> bastardized bsd box. >>> >>> I haven't turned mine off in months. If you need a Mac, buy it. >>> >>> Why not try running mac os in a virtual box machine to try it out >>> before hand? >>> >>> On Aug 24, 2016 08:54, "Keith Smith" <techli...@phpcoderusa.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I'm strongly considering buying a Macbook pro. >>> >>> I'm a LAMP (PHP) developer. Currently I use Mint on a Dell. Both >>> laptop and desktop. I do have a Dell laptop that runs M$ 10. Was a >>> bad move upgrading from M$7 to M$10... another story for another >>> day. >>> >>> The reason for my desired move is I want something that just works. >>> I do not have the time nor do I have the expertise to maintain Linux >>> Mint when there is an issue. For instance Dropbox does not launch >>> correctly. I have a work around, but do not want to have to figure >>> this stuff out. JoinMe.com [1] does no work completely on my Linux >>> desktop and I need it so I use my Windows laptop. I can watch but I >>> cannot become the presenter. >>> >>> Moving to Mac is purely a business decision. >>> >>> Up to this point I have bought cheap on sale Dell. >>> >>> I also need Virtualbox because I need to develop using PHP 5.6 and >>> PHP 7. >>> >>> In doing my research I have narrowed my search to the Macbook Pro >>> 13.3 or 15.4 inch models. I'm leaning towards the 15.4 since it has >>> 16GB of RAM. I suspect with the SSD drives these Macs have to sing. >>> >>> My shock is the $2000 price tag. Yikes. I'm used to cheap dell >>> hardware that I pay $300 to $400 for on sale. I can see Best Buy is >>> selling the MacBook at a slightly discounted price. >>> >>> If I can be just a little more productive the Mac will pay for >>> itself in no time. >>> >>> The other thing I like about the Pro is it allows for driving two >>> external monitors. At the resolution the Pro provides that should be >>> a lot of real estate give the laptop monitor makes 3. The only >>> downside I am aware of is with the external monitors the refresh >>> rate drops to 30Hz. I think someone on this list brought that up and >>> they did not like that low of a refresh rate. >>> >>> I think I would find iMovie and Pages useful. And I could add an >>> iPhone to the mix and utilize those benefits. >>> >>> If I buy the Mackbook pro 15.4 inch with 16GB of RAM what would be >>> a reasonable life expectancy in a production environment? What would >>> I be able to reasonably expect working it 12+ hours a day, day in >>> day? >>> >>> Any and every thought is much appreciated. >>> >>> -- >>> Keith Smith >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss [2] >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss [2] >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss [2] >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss [2] >> >> -- >> >> James >> >> LINKEDIN [3] >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss [2] >> >> >> Links: >> ------ >> [1] http://JoinMe.com/ >> [2] http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> [3] http://www.linkedin.com/pub/james-h-dugger/15/64b/74a/ >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > > -- > Keith Smith > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >
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