Am 21. Nov, 2019 schwätzte Stephen Partington so:

moin moin,

Do your best to avoid a mac with the t2 security chip. That basically
renders the SSD useless.

Hadn't heard of that. Thanks for the heads up.

I would also suggest you run refind for your boot. It will make life
easier for you to swap back and forth for firmware updates.

Hopefully I won't have to do much of that.

ciao,

der.hans

On Thu, Nov 21, 2019, 5:36 PM Matt Graham <mhgra...@crow202.org> wrote:

On 2019-11-21 16:34, der.hans wrote:
Is it really, really easy to install and run debian and Ubuntu on
Apple
laptops nowdays? Everything works? Networking, sound, hibernate, etc.?

It was slightly annoying to run Gentoo on an older OS X machine.  Part
of this was because it's Gentoo.  Part of this was because it was 2017
and they've figured out a lot more stuff now.  I had no problems with
wired networking, but wireless required some fooling around with kernel
modules that weren't marked stable yet.  The whole experience was a lot
like the Lenovo E595 install I did a few months back in that everything
eventually worked, it just took more time than I would've liked.
https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-linux says they are having trouble
with sound on the really new machines, but lots of other stuff works at
least partially.

Does Apple hardware also have UEFI and other misfeatures?

Yes.  rEFInd worked reasonably well for me so long as you don't need to
change your kernel boot parameters all the time.

Are there any decent Apple laptops that have AMD processors?

Not AFAICT.

Can you add more RAM or are you stuck with whatever it came with

I believe you're stuck with whatever it came with.  ICBW.

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