David,
You’re not the only one! My Mac mini is circa 2012 and it still
functions well with its original OS, however, things are starting to
come to the point where I’m going to have to install LINUX on it.
There’s some things I can’t do with it anymore. (some webpages
won’t load properly which means they won’t load inside the
screen reader either. However, I’m looking at the open core
project, which will probably give me some options as far as updating
is concerned. And yes, because I’m on an exceedingly limited
income (disability), I am like you in that I cannot afford new
equipment every time somebody forces us through the upgrade cycle.
Anyway, that’s probably the beauty about Apple hardware is that it
lasts a long time.
Eric
Sent from my iPhone
On May 8, 2025, at 12:01 PM, David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss
<[email protected]> wrote:
I truly appreciate your concern and encouragement to spend money
needlessly. I typically keep my hardware until it dies. If you
prefer to replace yours on a schedule even if it’s still working,
that’s up to you. So far, my Mac hardware has lasted far longer
than anything running Windows. I doubt it’s the OS.
(My first iMac died not long after the Apple Care expired — a chip
on the video card failed and they wanted nearly $700 to replace it.
That didn’t seem like a wise investment, so I pulled out the RAM
and HD, and sold the carcass for nearly $400. I could have gotten
more than that by parting out the case, PS, LCD display, and logic
board separately, but that would have taken longer.)
However, I also know that Windows attracts more than an order of
magnitude more attempts to hack the system versus all other
platforms combined, so I CHOOSE to avoid it in large part for that
reason alone. I also prefer *nix to Windows as it’s far more
stable.
Value is measured over time. My experience with Apple’s hardware
is that it lasts far longer than anything I’ve had that runs
Windows. And it does not depreciate nearly as quickly. I’m quite
happy with the value I’ve gotten for my money.
-David Schwartz
On May 7, 2025, at 10:02 AM, Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss
<[email protected]> wrote:
My wife's macbook died. Multiple times. Several were hard drive
failures. We replaced, with Apple-nazi sanctioned hardware. The
final death was when the graphics card stopped working. Could get a
framebuffer on it. But anything more intensive? nope. Thing said
'Newp!' So I said 'good-riddance'.
You can like whatever hardware you want. As for me and my house? I
don't run Apple crap.
Too much headache. Too much engineered obsolescence. Too much money
for what it's worth.
Even with the "better hardware" rationale for fanboys paying out
every time a new phone comes out which only improves slightly on a
camera, or better, adds a feature that android has had for years.
I wouldn't want to do any serious work on your old macs that are
ancient. Have you done any vulnerability scans on them? "Might want
to look into that" ~Tony Stark, as he bonks the head of the bad guy
in Iron Man I.
Anyways, I'm not going to change your mind, and this conversation
grows ancient. Like your macs.
T.T.F.N.
On Tue, May 6, 2025 at 6:03 PM David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss
<[email protected]> wrote:
On May 4, 2025, at 7:36 PM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
<[email protected]> wrote:
I did not know there was a bias on the list.
- Keith
It’s when people mention “the Apple tax” that the bias shows
up.
At least my older Macs don’t turn into door-stops when Apple stops
supporting them. Two of them cannot be upgraded to the latest
versions of MacOS, but they are fully functional.
From all of the warnings I’m reading about Windows 10, I’m
really not sure what to expect. I have two computers that I can’t
upgrade to Win 11.
-David Schwartz
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