monkeys On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Eric Cope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Nobody was forced to take part in a 2-party system. Don't argue that a 3rd > party candidate is a waste of vote. Face it, your vote is infinitesimally > small, in fact 1 in a million. The idea of voting for lesser of two evils > has delivered a president with a 30% approval rating and a Congress with a > 19% approval rating. We, as a people, need to determine our own values and > vote based on these values, not trying to prevent someone else from getting > in office. Its not a horse race. > > Eric > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Nathan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Wednesday 05 November 2008 12:18:18 Josh Coffman wrote: >> > mute.. mute mute dammit, gmail. ok fine.. >> > >> > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Josh Andler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> > > I find the irony in quoting a Democrat when trying to defend >> Republicans >> > > to be quite amusing. :P >> > > >> > >> > If your measure were based on the values represented by the quote and >> not >> > the party of the speaker, then you would not find it ironic. >> > >> > >> > > >> > > mike havens wrote: >> > > > Self interest? Whatever happened to, "Ask not what your country can >> do >> > > > for you; but for what you can do for your country," and to the >> > > > STATESMAN mindset rathedr than to the politician mindset. >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > This list if full of individuals with widely varying views, and >> arguments >> > such as this will do little to change the mind of most of us. Despite >> that, >> > I grow tired of ignorant statements. >> > >> > Obama won't tax those making less than 300k, then 250k, then 150k, then >> > 120k.. Did know one else notice that? Does no one else remember >> Clinton's >> > 1992 campaign on middle class tax cuts and making the "rich pay their >> fair >> > share"? Does no one else remember that Clinton then announced there will >> be >> > no tax cuts on Jan 15th, 1993 before he was even sworn in? Does no one >> else >> > remember Clinton's largest tax increase in US history? >> > >> > If you hang your hopes and dreams on any politician (Dem, Repub, or >> > otherwise), you will be sorely disappointed. >> > >> > Obama isn't going to give tax cuts, though he may further increase tax >> > refunds given to those not paying taxes. If you haven't been paying >> > attention, the Bush tax cuts are temporary and will expire soon. This >> will >> > bring back the death tax, increase capital gains tax rates, and >> > substantially increase tax rates across the board. Congress has no >> > intention of making the Bush tax cuts permanent. It will be easy for >> Obama >> > to claim he want to give people a break, and blame Congress for not >> giving >> > him a bill or whatever excuse. That's politics. Obama isn't any >> different, >> > and may actually be among the worst of them. Look, he's offered a >> cabinet >> > to Rahm "f--- them" Emanual. >> > >> > I don't blame people for wanting to kick the Republicans to the curb; >> it's >> > just unfortunate that they've marred the values I stand for but which >> they >> > didn't actually uphold. If you look around the world and at our own >> > history, it should be pretty obvious that government and bureacracy >> can't >> > fix your life. The best thing it can do is provide for defense and >> equal >> > opportunity then get out of your way. >> > >> > Do you actually trust the government to run more programs and in anyway >> make >> > decisions for you with the track record they have? Deficit, Iraq war >> > pre-surge, Afghanistan right now, social security, welfare, healthcare >> laws >> > and regulation, 8000 pages of tax code (wtf?), bridge to nowhere, >> > subsidizing wooden arrows in a bank bail out bill, the bank bail out >> > itself.. seriously? >> > >> > For the liberals, congratulations for the most liberal admin and >> congress in >> > us history. Good luck with that. For the neo-cons, thanks, appreciate it >> > (not). For the conservatives, like myself, this will bring clarity. >> That is >> > a good thing. >> > >> > In the end, this is still America. I, for one, am still proud to be an >> > American and love this country for things like election. It is a major >> > political shift, and it is a peacful one. >> > >> > Now, lemme try that gmail mute thing again. >> > >> > -j >> > >> >> >> Good post. I agree with most of what you said. I did not like either >> candidate, but being forced to take part in a two party system, I had to >> pick which one I thought was better for the country, and I will not lie and >> say my Bible had nothing to do with it. Some of Obama's ideas are fine. Same >> with Mccain. Some of them are really quite scary! Same with Mccain. None of >> which is anything Bush wouldn't or hasn't already done himself. >> >> Nonetheless, the media ran out Ron Paul so he never had a chance. It's >> unfortunate, but this is the mess we are stuck with. >> I will quote you because I think you said it well... >> > In the end, this is still America. I, for one, am still proud to be an >> > American and love this country for things like election. It is a major >> > political shift, and it is a peacful one >> >> nathan >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >
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