I run a mixture of Kubuntu, Centos, and Fedora systems, along with WinXP and Win7.
I've never used Unity, nor have I ever laid eyes on whatever the current version of Gnome is, except perhaps as screenshot on some webpage. I started using Kubntu back when Fedora made the switch to KDE 4, which was so pathetically and painfully broken at the time that the developers would have been sued were KDE a commercial product. Kubuntu was still using version 3.5, and by the time they made the switch to 4.x, it had matured to the point it was usable. Today kde 4.6 and 4.7 work very well. Kubuntu 11.10 works great, as did 11.04 and 10.10 and 10.04. There are of course a few rough edges on this latest version, but nothing catastrophic. KDE is not particularly attractive straight out of the box, but it is easy to update and configure to your liking. If Ubuntu is not working well because of Gnome/Unity problems, try Kubuntu. If you're familiar with the Windows UI conventions you'll be right at home. Lee Reynolds Tech Support Analyst Sr ASU Advanced Computing Center a2c2.asu.edu GWC-178 480.965.9460 (Office) 480.458.7434 (Mobile) -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Michael Butash Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 4:05 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Ubuntu Linux losing popularity fast. New Unity interface to blame?| Royal Pingdom I've used every version of ubuntu since 6.04 on the desktop (and extensive server) full-time, and while it's always been a bit cranky, it was always the most together and solid linux. Packaging was simply never a problem, nor were dependencies (ahem, redhat and spawn). It became quite literally perfect for me with 8.04, that everything just worked. At 8.10, it began going downhill, getting more bugs and system problems than ever in prior perfect stable configs. Natty was the first that simply pissed me off, with unity being utterly broken and unusable out of the box. There were some rumblings on list about Unity that got me thinking, and needing to replace a failing ssd and reinstalling, I would need to deal with it going to 11.10. Dealing with Oneiric has been a disaster over the past 4 days. Unity was just as broken out of box for me on it as it was on natty to the point I literally installed KDE to be rid of it. Even Gnome3 installed unlaunchably broken and wouldn't work on my hardware. I gave up on KDE after a day and went back to conquer Unity, and after 2 days of hacking and digging, I've gotten it to reboot (which it does often) perfectly. When it doesn't rearrange my md raid devices randomly and fall to initrd prompts to manually assemble the crypto disk at least. I really have no clue what most people would do having to face these problems as I've literally had to debug xwindows (thanks ati), compiz, unity, nautilus, mdadm, initrd, crypto subsystems, which are just things someone shouldn't have to do to get this working where I have had like-configs running for years perfectly before. ATI and Compiz is the worst of it. I also had to write scripts to start/stop compiz and dockbars between windows reliably, disable as much unity as possible because it simply doesn't work, and still minecraft and virtualbox crash my system hard if I resize them it in random ways. I loves me some ubuntu right about now, instability sucks. Is Ubuntu slipping in popularity? Regardless of the pain, my next system update absolutely won't be ubuntu after natty and oneiric. It actually saddens me a bit to say it after 6 years of loyalty too. -mb On 11/30/2011 11:30 AM, Kevin Fries wrote: > On Wed, 2011-11-30 at 11:20 -0700, Eric Shubert wrote: >> I'm using Ubuntu LTS (10.4) on my workstation. That's due to be >> upgraded with 12.4, at which time I'll need to make a decision. I'll >> evaluate that version of Unity, but expect I might be going with >> GUbuntu, or else go back to Fedora. I really don't want to be >> upgrading my workstation every 6 months though. > > Take a serious look at PinguyOS. Its based upon Gnome Shell, and adds > some very awesome software back in that Ubuntu has either not included > (Gloobus-preview& Gloobus-sushi, Docky, etc) or Ubuntu has > discontinued (Synaptic). > > Kevin > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
