On 7/17/06, Rage Callao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
yes thats the free in freedom. and yes tco is a different thing. which is why open source software like linux is free, but not free as beer. we agree
exactly!
market forces also include whether an open source project competes with a "branded" sofware project (whether it is an open source project packaged by say ibm or one built using closed source method). a lot of complaint on simply downloading a source project is technical support--- especially for small medium enterprises.
so it all falls down on presentation when competing for a project. thats kind of market forces i was thinking about.
that by definition would be "closed source code". that was the point. would you start a community to build missile tracking code or a how to to build a nuclear weapon and release it in the wild? will it be a successfull project? by that very admission not all projects should be open source, not that it couldn't be.
now if the uav that delivers the weapon happned to run on linux... see all the ethical stuff that can be laid open?
yes it is. i'm just saying thats whats going to happen and we shouldn't care that it should. see: php gov.ph issue a few years back.
sadly i haven't been able to justify buying photoshop for "just playing around". so gimp is being used. :d but i've played with photoshop recently and its just so much easier to get to do things with it than in gimp.
quality over quantity. i find quality to be more efficient in the long term but thats just me.
cheers
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Free as in freedom. The issue of total cost of ownership is another
matter which by all reputable accounts are tremendously in favor of
FOSS.
yes thats the free in freedom. and yes tco is a different thing. which is why open source software like linux is free, but not free as beer. we agree
> and for you and me, we have the skills and inclination to prefer to tweak
> the system and make it work for us. thats engineer talk and its fine with us
> right? but you know what? normal people don't care about such things. they
> just need the thing to work.
Things work in free software because enough people contribute to make
it work. Normal people are not stupid. If something doesn't work they
would try to find out why and how to make it work. The complaint I do
hear about most often is where to find that information.
> > > c) for all the good things open source method can do, it is not the
> answer
It is part of the answer.
exactly!
> > > for every software development there is and that said,
> > > d) it should be market forces that must determine the tools of the
> trade.
M$ thinking.
market forces also include whether an open source project competes with a "branded" sofware project (whether it is an open source project packaged by say ibm or one built using closed source method). a lot of complaint on simply downloading a source project is technical support--- especially for small medium enterprises.
so it all falls down on presentation when competing for a project. thats kind of market forces i was thinking about.
> those things are normal everyday stuff. but there are some apps out there
> that the commercial versions are much better. photoshop over gimp?
> photoshop. linux cluster? well we probabaly can write our own for that.
GIMP.
> climate modeling software? tall order, it would be nice to have an open
> source software out there but i guess the climate modeling community have
> their own internal stuff for that that they write.
http://climate.uvic.ca/climate-lab/computers.html
> code to launch say... a long range missile or to destroy one or to intercept
> one.... would you want that open sourced? i'd feel safe knowing people who
> really know that kind of stuff and who will use it for the right thing have
> it.
LOL. This is ridiculous. Anyone smart enough to make missiles is smart
enough to write their own code.
that by definition would be "closed source code". that was the point. would you start a community to build missile tracking code or a how to to build a nuclear weapon and release it in the wild? will it be a successfull project? by that very admission not all projects should be open source, not that it couldn't be.
now if the uav that delivers the weapon happned to run on linux... see all the ethical stuff that can be laid open?
> > > 2. a "resolution"--- may be of greater use: Congress recognizes that
> > > Software, created on a level playing field such as what "Open Source"
> offers
> > > many great benefits to the Filipino people and advocates its use. And
> what
> > > great proof than a move by Congress to use Open Source software in its
> daily
> > > affairs? The PR value would be huge--- a blow to M$ and a big win for
> OSS.
> > > heck, it might just work in a land of pirated software to go open. just
> be
> > > prepared for a pissed off microsoft.
Free software is not about pissing off Big Evil (aka M$). Its about
empowering/enabling users.
yes it is. i'm just saying thats whats going to happen and we shouldn't care that it should. see: php gov.ph issue a few years back.
> i know this is PLUG, my apologies to the members, but maybe he should have
> considered a Mac? i use my mac with open source tools--- open office, gimp,
Why GIMP? Didn't you say you like Photoshop better?
sadly i haven't been able to justify buying photoshop for "just playing around". so gimp is being used. :d but i've played with photoshop recently and its just so much easier to get to do things with it than in gimp.
> programming tools (python ruby gcc etc) and etc. heck i have a webserver
> running off it. i have parallels that runs gentoo and ubuntu linux on os x.
> and i love my mac. its unix. or may be one of the good user friendly linux
Its a FreeBSD variant AFAIK. BSD-style licenses are different from the
GPL in that sources can be modified but the modifications need not be
disclosed. So someone can take BSD code and as long as they display
the proper acknowledgements distribute it as closed source.
> distros like OpenSuse. a Mac equiped the way a poweruser in the PC world
> would want is only 10% to 15% higher than a PC of roughly the same make and
> its totally worth it for the craftmanship that goes into the product. and he
Maximum vendor-independence.
quality over quantity. i find quality to be more efficient in the long term but thats just me.
cheers
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