Yumyum.

Ill cough out something.

linux may be ahead in performance but not in filesystem. What advanced
feature of
the filesystem that linux is advanced of? having more filesystems that
all do the
same thing with varying degress of data loss and corruption? that's
not advancement
for me.

and for speed, not all cases linux is beyond. i've tested this both on NetBSD
(without softupdates) and gentoo linux (ext3) on the same machine.

$ time tar xzf
$ time cp -R my-large-collection my-large-collection-2

Result:
NetBSD:
11.22s - 29.41s
linux:
18.32s - 38.42s

you are welcome to test it too.

linux has many filesystem, none of them actually appear to be stable, especially
during very heavy loads. bsd doesn't want many filesystems that all do the same
thing, only with different sets of problems.

and looking at the changelog,
http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/testing/ChangeLog-2.6.17-rc4

[XFS] Fix a possible metadata buffer (AGFL) refcount leak when fixing
an AG freelist
[XFS] Fix a project quota space accounting leak on rename.
[XFS] Fix a possible forced shutdown due to mishandling write barriers
with remount,ro

http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/testing/ChangeLog-2.6.17-rc6

[PATCH] ext3 resize: fix double unlock_super()

so this is what you called stable?

xfs is a bad example of filesystem that linux happily supports. it's made for
performance, not data integrity.

i don't believe in benchmarks either, i want to prove it by myself.
fefe's benchmark
is one example of such tests. heck, he even asked the openbsd mailing
list on "how
to fine-tune openbsd" AFTER publishing the benchmark. he benchmarked a system he
really doesn't know.


;)

*grin*





On 2/6/07, Paolo Alexis Falcone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Mon, 2007-02-05 at 17:30 +0800, Happy Kamote Foundation wrote:

> > 4. Linux has a cornucopia of filesystems supported. Linux, like
> > proprietary Unix variants, have supported journaling filesystems for a
> > very long time.
>
> IMHO Linux have yet to have a stable filesystem.

I think this is just flame bait... <fanning the flames>anything that
still needs a full fsck to recover from a crash is no stable filesystem
for me.</fanning the flames>

Kidding aside, soft updates is still a young concept (McKusick's paper
on it was released in 2000, with a FreeBSD implementation merged in
2002) which has been into BSD UFS for the last four years. Journalling
on the other hand, has been in Unix implementations for a very long time
already, and has already proven its worth regarding stability. The likes
of ext3, XFS and JFS have been in Linux for roughly the same amount of
time, with the latter two being in commercial Unix for an even longer
period of time. We all do know of the disadvantages of FS journals
though ... which soft updates aimed to skirt around.

--
Paolo Alexis Falcone
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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