Erik Lane wrote: >> It's either open per the consensus of what the definition of open is or >> it's not. >> >> You're certainly welcome to your /open enough/ opinion. Per Keith's scale >> of >> "openness", your definition is in the 3 -5 range. Where I think the general >> consensus >> of 'open" hw is in the 8 - 10 range else it's a >> mis-understanding/perception of what "open" hw >> is generally understood to be defined as... >> >> >> > Depends on where you're getting this consensus from. If you're talking about > people in general, I think running Linux is probably a very good gauge of > 'open.' If you're talking about IT pros, possibly not quite so much. If > you're talking about Linux enthusiasts to professionals then the bar is set > much higher. Of course this list qualifies as that last part, so you're kind > of preaching to the choir. > > Good luck at ever getting a consensus from 100 random people on the street > that would come even close to your 8-10 range that you talk about. > > (Note that even though this might sound like I'm not for open hardware based > on your definition, that assumption would be wrong. I'm only questioning > your definition and narrowness of 'consensus.') > > There's the meaning that some jargon has to the professional, and very > frequently those things mean other things to the populace at large, if they > mean anything at all. Of course this is true no matter what the profession. > (Well, I guess there could be exceptions. I wonder how much jargon exists at > your local fast food restaurant??) > > Erik > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > Well said, and "consensus" might be a poor choice of words. As at this stage it's not about considering opinions to come up with a definition as that's already been done.
So it's a matter of the general populace reading what is the generally agreed upon definition of "open" as it pertains to hardware and software. And then taking said consensus. I don't how you could have a consensus w/o the exchange of information/knowledge. So you need a reference point to begin the conversation and that has been provided. The intention of most hw mfrs. is to retain their IP, so they attempt to close off access to their product I think all I'm saying is that reverse engineering, jailbreaking, etc != "open" to any degree. If I was to break into bldg w. set of lock picks, I'm not gonna say, "well, the door was /open enough/ for me to get in." As it was clearly closed and the intention was to keep people out, but I was skilled enough to find a way in... _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
