The problem persists. I expect the issue relates to windows issues, since
I know even less about windows than I do Linux. I deleted the printer,
removed the driver (990c, since HP said that is what will work for the 4630
printer in windows 2000). I reinstalled the driver by executing the file
990-enu-win2k.exe. A choice along the way was "want help?", which I
chose. It hung in a loop between USB or Parallel. I shut down. (I assume
that the help wizard was the cause of the hanging.) Restart and continuing
it said it needed hpzcon04.dll. I found hpzcon04.dl_, which it took. Will
not print. Error msg. is uninformative.
-Denis
On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Denis Heidtmann <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> The duplicate addresses seem to have resolved themselves. The host shows
> 10.0.0 .118; the guest still shows 10.0.0.231. I can ping both from the
> desktop.
>
> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Denis Heidtmann <
> denis.heidtm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ping by IP works. I do not know how to ping by name. I tried dig -x but
>> it did find an IP.
>>
>> I can get to the printer's (10.0.0.244) and the router's (10.0.0.1)
>> embedded web servers from both the host and the guest using browsers. I
>> can ping from both to both by IP. The router gives the printer the name
>> HP69E035. The router can see the host and the guest, but the guest shows
>> as off-line, (which means that it had been connected in the past but is not
>> now.) The router lists the IPs:
>> printer-10.0.0.244
>> desktop- 10.0.0.148
>> laptop- 10.0.0.231
>> Guest- 10.0.0.231 ? Is this normal for bridging mode?
>>
>> I should give up on using the printer name. I will try using the IP.
>>
>> -Denis
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 12:17 AM, Tomas Kuchta <
>> tomas.kuchta.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> As a basic connectivity test - check if you are able to ping the printer
>>> from the host computer. Check ping by IP as well as ping by name.
>>>
>>> If ping works from host, replicate the ping from win guest.
>>>
>>> Unless you are able to replicate the network behavior between host and
>>> guest, you still need to work on the network setup first, before
>>> progressing to the printer configuration.
>>>
>>> Tomas
>>>
>>> On Oct 16, 2017 11:17 AM, "Denis Heidtmann" <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Status: I got started trying to set up the printer in bridging, using
>>> the
>>> > printer's name rather than the IP. I thought I would continue in that
>>> > direction until I was either successful or could figure out why not.
>>> I got
>>> > the name of the printer from the router--it said HP69E035. I shut off
>>> > wireless direct. Printing from the host still works. I set up a new
>>> port:
>>> > TCP/IP; gave it the same name as the printer. I went through the
>>> install
>>> > procedure. Says it was successful, but it will not print.
>>> >
>>> > I can reach the printer's embedded web server from the host and the
>>> guest
>>> > (10.0.0.244). Right now I suspect the Windows Install may be the
>>> issue. I
>>> > will try again using the IP address rather than the name, but I am not
>>> > optimistic.
>>> >
>>> > Fortunately I can easily get by for some time without printing from the
>>> > guest on the laptop. I want to hammer through this so that I learn.
>>> That
>>> > is why I have stuck to bridging mode and using the name rather than the
>>> > IP. But I understand there are advantages to NAT. I should be able to
>>> > change to NAT when I have exhausted my ability to learn from the
>>> bridging
>>> > exercise.
>>> >
>>> > I would go to the Clinic were I not signed up for something else
>>> through
>>> > 11/19. If I still have stamina to learn from this after the 19 I will
>>> try
>>> > to get to the Clinic.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks for all the help. I welcome ideas on how to understand what
>>> may be
>>> > wrong.
>>> >
>>> > -Denis
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Tomas <tomas.kuchta.li...@gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > I cannot see anything obviously wrong with the vBox config you are
>>> > > using. Unless, of course the problem is with your Windows setup
>>> messing
>>> > > things up or you need to poke at the vBox config file (sometimes even
>>> > > virtual computers wants to play!).
>>> > >
>>> > > I would think that there is no harm in trying to change the network
>>> > > setup to NAT, it could do two things for you:
>>> > > a) isolate the windows from interferring with your host network
>>> > > b) reset the vBox config, just in case there is something funny in
>>> > > there from your past setup.
>>> > >
>>> > > To change the setting (your VM must be powered down) you can just run
>>> > > this command:
>>> > > vboxmanage modifyvm f54caf05-a7ed-450e-be1a-94865fef7e5c --nic1 nat
>>> > > Alternatively, you could just select NAT in the GUI
>>> > >
>>> > > After you do the above, try this:
>>> > > 1. start your VM
>>> > > 2. ping your router from W2k: in Win start cmd.exe and run:
>>> > > ping 10.0.0.1
>>> > > 3. as per 2.:
>>> > > ping printerIP
>>> > >
>>> > > If it works, you should be able to setup the printer in windows by
>>> > > giving it the printer's IP.
>>> > >
>>> > > If you do not succeed, I would advice you to go to PLUG clinic for
>>> help
>>> > > this Sunday. I am sure that Wes/others will be able to help you with
>>> > > the networking from your vBox.
>>> > >
>>> > > Best luck, Tomas
>>> > >
>>> > > On Tue, 2017-10-10 at 19:00 -0700, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
>>> > > > I am impressed with you willingness to help from the other side of
>>> > > > the
>>> > > > world. Thank you so much for your help.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Below is the output you asked for. I have only one VM at
>>> present. A
>>> > > > friend suggested dig -s 10.0.0.244 to find the name of the printer,
>>> > > > since I
>>> > > > wanted to avoid the complications of ip address not fixed. But it
>>> > > > seems
>>> > > > that 10.0.0.244 is the web address of the embedded web server. I
>>> do
>>> > > > not
>>> > > > know if that is what is accessed when printing. But the dig output
>>> > > > did not
>>> > > > produce a name that I could see. And I see that I can specify a
>>> > > > fixed IP
>>> > > > address in the printer, so that may not be a concern. And I agree
>>> > > > that I
>>> > > > need to turn off the "direct" access to the printer.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > I cannot think of why I would want to have access to the guest from
>>> > > > the
>>> > > > host. You can see that I use a shared folder to allow me to pass
>>> > > > data
>>> > > > between the two. If there are other reasons I would want to have
>>> > > > that
>>> > > > access I am open to suggestions.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > denis@denis-ThinkPad-L420:~$ for i in $(vboxmanage list vms | awk
>>> > > > '{print
>>> > > > $2}'); do echo "INFO:
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > vboxmanage showvminfo $i"; vboxmanage showvminfo $i; done
>>> > > > INFO:
>>> > > > vboxmanage showvminfo {f54caf05-a7ed-450e-be1a-94865fef7e5c}
>>> > > > Name: Win2kSP2
>>> > > > Groups: /
>>> > > > Guest OS: Windows 2000
>>> > > > UUID: f54caf05-a7ed-450e-be1a-94865fef7e5c
>>> > > > Config file: /home/denis/VirtualBox VMs/Win2kSP2/Win2kSP2.vbox
>>> > > > Snapshot folder: /home/denis/VirtualBox VMs/Win2kSP2/Snapshots
>>> > > > Log folder: /home/denis/VirtualBox VMs/Win2kSP2/Logs
>>> > > > Hardware UUID: f54caf05-a7ed-450e-be1a-94865fef7e5c
>>> > > > Memory size: 500MB
>>> > > > Page Fusion: off
>>> > > > VRAM size: 16MB
>>> > > > CPU exec cap: 100%
>>> > > > HPET: off
>>> > > > Chipset: piix3
>>> > > > Firmware: BIOS
>>> > > > Number of CPUs: 1
>>> > > > PAE: off
>>> > > > Long Mode: off
>>> > > > CPUID Portability Level: 0
>>> > > > CPUID overrides: None
>>> > > > Boot menu mode: message and menu
>>> > > > Boot Device (1): Floppy
>>> > > > Boot Device (2): DVD
>>> > > > Boot Device (3): HardDisk
>>> > > > Boot Device (4): Not Assigned
>>> > > > ACPI: on
>>> > > > IOAPIC: off
>>> > > > Time offset: 0ms
>>> > > > RTC: local time
>>> > > > Hardw. virt.ext: on
>>> > > > Nested Paging: on
>>> > > > Large Pages: off
>>> > > > VT-x VPID: on
>>> > > > VT-x unr. exec.: on
>>> > > > Paravirt. Provider: Default
>>> > > > State: powered off (since 2017-10-10T00:59:08.000000000)
>>> > > > Monitor count: 1
>>> > > > 3D Acceleration: off
>>> > > > 2D Video Acceleration: off
>>> > > > Teleporter Enabled: off
>>> > > > Teleporter Port: 0
>>> > > > Teleporter Address:
>>> > > > Teleporter Password:
>>> > > > Tracing Enabled: off
>>> > > > Allow Tracing to Access VM: off
>>> > > > Tracing Configuration:
>>> > > > Autostart Enabled: off
>>> > > > Autostart Delay: 0
>>> > > > Default Frontend:
>>> > > > Storage Controller Name (0): IDE
>>> > > > Storage Controller Type (0): PIIX4
>>> > > > Storage Controller Instance Number (0): 0
>>> > > > Storage Controller Max Port Count (0): 2
>>> > > > Storage Controller Port Count (0): 2
>>> > > > Storage Controller Bootable (0): on
>>> > > > IDE (0, 0): /home/denis/VirtualBox VMs/Win2kSP2 Clone.vdi (UUID:
>>> > > > 617a86c4-a14a-4fbb-b4b7-f5e3fe0d6297)
>>> > > > IDE (1, 0):
>>> > > > /home/denis/.config/VirtualBox/VBoxGuestAdditions_5.0.18.iso
>>> > > > (UUID: 71defe8b-0622-4b63-98a0-880e5acb88f8)
>>> > > > NIC 1: MAC: 080027D66D3F, Attachment: Bridged Interface
>>> > > > 'wlp3s0',
>>> > > > Cable connected: on, Trace: off (file: none), Type: Am79C973,
>>> > > > Reported
>>> > > > speed: 0 Mbps, Boot priority: 0, Promisc Policy: deny, Bandwidth
>>> > > > group: none
>>> > > > NIC 2: disabled
>>> > > > NIC 3: disabled
>>> > > > NIC 4: disabled
>>> > > > NIC 5: disabled
>>> > > > NIC 6: disabled
>>> > > > NIC 7: disabled
>>> > > > NIC 8: disabled
>>> > > > Pointing Device: USB Tablet
>>> > > > Keyboard Device: PS/2 Keyboard
>>> > > > UART 1: disabled
>>> > > > UART 2: disabled
>>> > > > UART 3: disabled
>>> > > > UART 4: disabled
>>> > > > LPT 1: disabled
>>> > > > LPT 2: disabled
>>> > > > Audio: enabled (Driver: PulseAudio, Controller: AC97,
>>> > > > Codec:
>>> > > > STAC9700)
>>> > > > Clipboard Mode: disabled
>>> > > > Drag and drop Mode: disabled
>>> > > > VRDE: disabled
>>> > > > USB: enabled
>>> > > > EHCI: disabled
>>> > > > XHCI: disabled
>>> > > >
>>> > > > USB Device Filters:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > <none>
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Bandwidth groups: <none>
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Shared folders:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Name: 'win2kfiles', Host path: '/home/denis/win2kfiles' (machine
>>> > > > mapping),
>>> > > > writable
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Video capturing: not active
>>> > > > Capture screens: 0
>>> > > > Capture file: /home/denis/VirtualBox
>>> VMs/Win2kSP2/Win2kSP2.webm
>>> > > > Capture dimensions: 1024x768
>>> > > > Capture rate: 512 kbps
>>> > > > Capture FPS: 25
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Guest:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Configured memory balloon size: 0 MB
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > denis@denis-ThinkPad-L420:~$
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 2:22 AM, Tomas <
>>> tomas.kuchta.li...@gmail.com>
>>> > > > wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Here is command line which prints your full VirtualBox
>>> > > > > configuration:
>>> > > > > for i in $(vboxmanage list vms | awk '{print $2}'); do echo
>>> "INFO:
>>> > > > > vboxmanage showvminfo $i"; vboxmanage showvminfo $i; done
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Post the output here if you are still stuck with the printer
>>> > > > > Please check the test for sensitive info - if you have any in the
>>> > > > > notes/description, and include only the problematic Windows VM if
>>> > > > > you
>>> > > > > have more than one configured
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > - Tomas
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > On Mon, 2017-10-09 at 18:19 -0700, Tomas Kuchta wrote:
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > Dennis,
>>> > > > > > I have another question:
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > Do you need to connect to your windows VM from the host or
>>> > > > > > > another
>>> > > > > computer/phone on the network?
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > I am thinking that it maybe easier to provide a guide how
>>> to
>>> > > > > configure you vBox network rather than to debug your issue - over
>>> > > > > this mailing list.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > If I would to provide guidance on fresh network
>>> configuration
>>> > > > > > > > for
>>> > > > > unsupported and unpatched windows - I would probably suggest
>>> simple
>>> > > > > NAT setup as it provides little more isolation for you windows.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > If you need to directly connect to your windows from the host
>>> > > > > > > or the
>>> > > > > network then bridging setup would be more appropriate.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > Depending on your answer, there are pretty good guides
>>> > > > > > > available.
>>> > > > > Please see if you could follow one of them.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > The networking in vBox is pretty well described in:
>>> > > > > > http://virtualbox.org/manual/ch06.html
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > Depending on your need (NAT or Bridge) try to follow the
>>> > > > > > > appropriate
>>> > > > > section of this tutorial:
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/virtualbox-network-shari
>>> ng.ht
>>> > > > > > ml
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > Note: The tutorial uses host IP examples in 192.168.x.x You
>>> > > > > > > > on the
>>> > > > > other hand use 10.0.0.x - that is OK - keep your host network
>>> > > > > settings - do not get confused about it when following the
>>> > > > > tutorial.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > If you choose NAT then you host and windows guest IPs should
>>> be
>>> > > > > > > on
>>> > > > > different networks.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > If you choose Bridging, your internet router should assign IP
>>> > > > > > > to your
>>> > > > > windows guest in the same 10.0.0.x range.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > In both instances, you will be connecting to your
>>> 10.0.0.244
>>> > > > > > > > printer.
>>> > > > > Please note that the printer's IP might change occasionally by
>>> your
>>> > > > > router, unless configured as static.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > As already mentioned, I would disable all other networking
>>> > > > > > > stuff such
>>> > > > > as internet/HP/cloud printing on the printer.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > I hope it helps, for anything else go to PLUG clinic on the
>>> > > > > > > right
>>> > > > > Sunday.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > Tomas
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > On Oct 10, 2017 7:19 AM, "King Beowulf" <
>>> kingbeow...@gmail.co
>>> > > > > > > > m>
>>> > > > > wrote:
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > On 10/09/2017 03:14 PM, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > Progress. I got the ip address of the printer from
>>> > > > > settings/network in the
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > host, pinged it from the host, then pinged it from
>>> > > > > > > > win2k. Both
>>> > > > > were
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > successful. But then I found out that the host could not
>>> > > > > > > > connect
>>> > > > > to the
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > router/modem until I shut down win2k in VB! So it appears
>>> > > > > > > > that
>>> > > > > either the
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > host is connected to the router/modem or it is connected to
>>> > > > > > > > the
>>> > > > > printer.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > This is not the usual way the host connects to the printer,
>>> > > > > > > > as I am
>>> > > > > able to
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > print without losing my internet connection. The address was
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > 192.168.223.100. I need to get rid of this direct
>>> connection
>>> > > > > > > > to
>>> > > > > the
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > printer. Then how do I get the (proper) ip address for the
>>> > > > > printer?
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > --- snip---
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > As
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > Tomas mentioned, this sounds like something screwy with the
>>> > > > > > > host-
>>> > > > > guest
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > bridging setup in that when VB+Win2K fires up, the guest has
>>> sole
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > ownership of the NIC. Thus, the laptop host goes "dark".
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > you said (?)the printer is on wifi and uses DHCP (not fixed
>>> IP).
>>> > > > > > The
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > printer IP address is from the wifi router and has nothing to
>>> do
>>> > > > > > with
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > either host or guest OS. You can get the Printer IP by using
>>> the
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > printer front panel to print a Network status page, or log in
>>> to
>>> > > > > > the
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > router web GUI (http://10.0.0.1) to see what IP is assigned.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > Some printers can advertise over wifi for direct
>>> > > > > > > connection. You
>>> > > > > will
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > want to turn that off inside the printer configuration
>>> > > > > > > settings.
>>> > > > > Either
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > page through the printer front panel or use the printer web GUI
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > (http://10.0.0.244)
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > -Ed
>>> > > > > >
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