CCing to misc, as this is getting OT
On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:10:51 +0800, stderr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So what?!
> actually, Its just an intro to my good news. :)
> > Many ppl have discussed that patch here in the
> > mailing list since 2 years ago... so ppl here
> > are aware of that. Anyways, it's still good
> > that you have brought it up so newer members are
> > aware of the patch.
>
> I see, so you've predicted the 'staircase' improvements
> (which is now version 7.8, seven days ago) some 2 years
> ago?
> How I wish youve brought this up to the kdevelopers
> back then. You could have spared Mr Kolivas, the time.
> And to _all_ the other people who have spared their time
> tracking down the bugs. (inc me)
I believe his point was that people here already know about the -ck
patchset and its intended application(s), regardless of current
improvements.
>
> Or maybe you just typed that, so the newer linux
> users will know that you're an oldie in this list.
> Just tell us you're an 'oldie', we will believe you =)
No, he meant for you to check the list archives before posting. (Of
course, I believe I'm guilty of not doing this also...)
> > Don't be a linux zealot. Linux is not always the
> > answer to any IT solutions. Different solutions
> > for different problems. Many potential users
> > were turned off with OS/2(except the banks of
> > course!) because of OS/2 zealots.
>
> OK, I assume youre very very good at computing. So,
> you know all the corners in both micro~1's kernel
> and Linux'es. and all the functions envolving speed,
> stability and security inside that program.
>
> Well, I dont!, I know only a little about linux's,
> but I dont know a thing about Microsoft's. All I
> know is that It just died on me, a LOT of times
> before. Loosing all my personal datas which where
> irreplacable back then.
> In my 8 years in linux, these catasthrophies did not
> happen to me, even in an installation in that same
> machine. I dont want other people to experience what
> I've gone through, so Im preaching the good news about
> Linux.
> Now, do you expect me to believe in you telling me not
> to be a zealot?
Zealot, from dict.org[1]
Zealot \Zeal"ot\, n. [F. z['e]lote, L. zelotes, Gr. ?. See
Zeal.]
One who is zealous; one who engages warmly in any cause, and
pursues his object with earnestness and ardor; especially,
one who is overzealous, or carried away by his zeal; one
absorbed in devotion to anything; an enthusiast; a fanatical
partisan.
Note: *fanatical partisan*. The connotation of course is much stronger
than the literal meaning. <imho>Being a zealot is inherently
incompatible with open-mindedness and neutrality, and calm/objective
decision-making.</imho>
>
> "Linux is not always the answer to any IT solutions"
>
> Of course everybody who are in this list knows that!
> even us newbies (what obvious reasons did we found
> our way into this list).
> Even with the obvious fact known to every linux user
> that some applications intended for windows just can't
> be 'run' into linux.
> That's why all of us are working on it,helping/demanding
> to make those applications available/portable inside linux.
>
"Of course everybody knows that Linux is 'just' a kernel!"
"Of course everybody knows who RMS is!" </tongue-in-cheek>
> If we are in a 'general IT' list, then I'll be more
> open to variety of IT facts in the discussion.
> But we are in a Linux mailing list, do you expect
> the people reading here to believe you that micros~1
> or OS/2 is far more better than Linux? and they should
> switch to the other OS if they can't do it in Linux?
Again, that is not the point. For us (as Linux users) to be able to
inform people about Linux and allow them to make a rational &
objective decision, we have to know the strengths and weakness of our
platform. "Know thine enemy" and "Know thyself" and all that.
> even without you stating what are the other
> OPTIONS/applications that are already available
> in Linux?
As my friend and coworker (and occasional debating partner) would tell
me when I get into ultra-zealot mode: "Yes, but are these options
mature *NOW*? I'm a business. I need this functionality now, and I
need a mature solution. So I can't afford to wait for open source to
provide it for me. When they have a mature and robust solution that I
can put my business on, then I'll switch." It's all about being
pragmatic, my dear sir (i.e., would you have run your web server on
Linux 0.01?)
> Those generalized statements is insufficient to
> portray someone as an open-minded individual on
> these matters.
Neither are your statements.
> Or maybe youve mistaken a 'zealot' for a 'bigot'.
> They're all different entities :)
Beg to differ. Zealotry IMO is just a step away from bigotry.
(PS: Just a personal annoyance: I forgot that I was using Firefox. My
mind was still stuck on Emacs keybindings mode and I accidentally
closed the tab with a whole composed letter in it, intending to cut a
portion of text. So this is revision 2 of my whole reply. Blah.)
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