It definitely seems clear that the problem is with specific private
email services, not the mailing list specifically nor email transport
technically speaking as defined in the RFCs.
The solution then seems equally clear - vote with your dollars. Short of
giving recommendations for specific providers the adage that if you're
not paying money you're the product being sold is especially and
particularly true regarding email hosting. Linux users are a resourceful
sort but self-hosting email is a cure worse than the disease. Before I
gave up and paid a company to host my email I was paying Amazon for the
privilege of proxying through their SMTP servers to get other SMTP
servers to trust my email. So, not actually even self hosting at that
point AND paying protection money in order to get my email delivered.
Nor am I implicitly recommending my current provider, who could easily
be deduced and to whom I'm at best ambivalent. My search for email
solutions also continues to continue.
--
James Bertelson
[email protected]
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On 2021-05-27 16:43, Ben Koenig wrote:
Its clear that most gmail hosted accounts are flagging his emails, but
its not 100%.
The lack of consistency annoys me. Its almost as if some of these mail
services are deliberately trying to muddy the water.
I could be wrong but considering that a significant number of people
are receiving Tom's emails + the description of the blacklist his
domain is on I'm pretty sure his email formatting isnt the problem.
He isnt part of the Alphabet, so he gets labeled as spam. Having said
that im sure google will blacklist me too.
-Ben
Sent from ProtonMail mobile
-------- Original Message --------
On May 26, 2021, 5:03 PM, Johnathan Mantey wrote:
I looked into my Gmail spam folder and found Tom's neugia.com address
there. There was also another email address there.
On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 12:59 PM TomasK <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 2021-05-26 at 12:05 -0700, wes wrote:
> On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 8:17 AM Ben Koenig <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, May 26, 2021, 12:10 AM wes <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 4:12 PM wes <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 3:36 PM Tom <[email protected]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Mon, 24 May 2021 15:45:06 -0700
> > > > > "Jason Barbier" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > you are part right, the modification of the message body
> > > > > > would cause
> > > > > > DKIM failures if you authorized the plug mail servers to
> > > > > > send as
> >
> > your
> > > > > > domain. Due to the way most mail list software works DKIM
> > > > > > will never
> > > > > > pass. for list messages
> > > > >
> > > > > Why is it do you think that I don't have any such problem on
> > > > > the
> > > > > FreeBSD, Gentoo, NetworkUPStools, Prosody, Tails and Gemini
> > > > > mailing
> > > > > lists? Do they have their setup a certain way?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > we could ask that same question the other direction: why is it
> > > > that
> >
> > most
> > > > subscribers who use DKIM don't have their emails marked as spam
> > > > by
> >
> > gmail?
> > > >
> > > > -wes
> > > >
> > >
> > > I went through and compared headers from a bunch of different
> > > senders to
> > > the list. they all list DKIM as failed, but only yours (Tom's)
> > > get marked
> > > as spam routinely. I started looking up source IPs on
> > > mxtoolbox.com, and
> > > nuegia's (23.92.27.105) is listed, while others aren't. this
> > > might be a
> > > reason for the difference. unfortunately this particular
> > > blacklist is not
> > > one we can just request removal from, it's at the ISP level.
> > >
> > > -wes
> > > _______________________________________________
> > OMFG. Did my reply from [email protected] seriously just
> > get
> > marked
> > as spam???
> >
> >
>
> I'm on gmail, and your protonmail-originated message was not flagged.
>
>
Same here - I receive all Ben's emails on in gmail/inbox
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