When you firmly disagree you are personally discriminating against anyone on the mild end of the spectrum. I am NOT discriminating by advocating a positive view of mild autism. Discrimination by definition is negative. As the saying goes, intolerance of Intolerance is NOT intolerance. Only the shrieking ultra right-wingers who carry the racist and intolerance flags claim that anyone opposing their viewpoint is "intolerant" That is what you are doing.
And when you propagate that attitude to other people that being on the mild end of the spectrum is a disorder, and that viewing it as a positive is a personal process and not reality, then you are propagating that discriminatory attitude towards others. Same when you use terms like "shit" to refer to an autism discussion. What is NOT factual is labeling mild cases as a disorder anymore than labeling same sex preference as a disorder is factual. While a lot of people who should know better are doing this, including some in the medical community, that ISN'T a fact. It is an opinion. I gave a logical explanation that explains why autism has been on the rise for centuries and facts that support that, which is a damn sight better than the medical community who has no explanation and sit around scratching their asses and wringing their hands about what to do about it. (and suggesting diet changes as fixes and other rubbish) An evolutionary advantage to the individual CANNOT by definition be a disorder. While it may be very irritating to people for 1 person to be 6 1/2 feet tall and make millions as a basketball star, his height is NOT a disorder, because it gives him an advantage over the rest of them. It is only jealous people who label mild autism as a disorder. This is how evolution works. Yes there are 7 foot tall people but the medical literature shows that that amount of height carries more detriments than advantages, while a mild amount of height gain carries more advantages than detriments, thus evolution favors the 6.5 over the 6 and over the 7. Just because extreme cases of autism are detriments to the individual and can be labeled disorders does not mean that mild cases are disorders, anymore than 6.5 is a height disorder just because 7 is. I hate having to waste all this time spelling out logic but it seems I have to, here. Discussion of how Linux can be moved out of the "experimenters corner" and into mainstream general public is certainly appropriate for a Linux mailing list. If nobody in the Linux community cared about that we wouldn't have Linux GUI desktops the command line+terminfo & curses would be perfectly fine as an interface. If you think it belongs on -talk you know how to set followups. One of the largest obstacles to doing this is failure by the "techies" and "experimenters" to understand how the general public thinks about and views technology. This is CLEARLY a result of so many in the Linux and tech community being on the spectrum and therefore having difficulty understanding WHY the general public cannot immediately see and understand the technical superiority of Linux, and throw Windows into the trash where it belongs. Just as you seem to be having difficulty understanding WHY it's not appropriate for an IT department to be attempting to violate contracts signed between a business and a contractor, because after they were signed the business suddenly decides they don't like their contractor subcontracting by using VPNs and instead of renegotiating the contract to prohibit subcontracting, attempts to make things difficult by erecting VPN blocks. And note we only went down this rabbithole because of your extreme reaction to my suggesting that the answer to how do we block VPN traffic was to say not to do it in the first place!!!! (and why) Ted -----Original Message----- From: PLUG <plug-boun...@pdxlinux.org> On Behalf Of Ben Koenig Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2023 5:53 PM To: Portland Linux/Unix Group <plug@pdxlinux.org> Subject: Re: [PLUG] 3rd party vpn Defense evasion While I firmly disagree, I don't have any isssue with people who want to see autism as a positive thing. How we come to terms with our humanity and the shitstorm that is society is a personal process. But when you project your attitude onto others without thinking you end up discriminating. Even if you don't consider autism to be a disorder, it's still comes down to whether or not it's a fact, and you are not in position to make that claim. It's really not about autism being good or bad, it's about the claim and how others feel about it. And these days convincing someone they have autism when they don't can be extremely dangerous and life threatening so maybe don't casually bring it up. I don't want to see this shit on PLUG. This is an online text-only format with a specific focus on Linux conversations so if you want to get into the prevalence of autistic nerds in the IT world feel free to take it to PLUG-TALK. I'm the last person to dictate politeness on any online forum but I'm gonna sit my ass down on this hill and say that bringing statements about mental health into a discussion about linux network monitoring is crossing multiple lines. If any PLUG old-timers want to get cranky about my attitude I'll show myself the door. :) And for the record, thanks for taking a day to write an honest and significantly less toxic response. Most people would have doubled down on their BS rather than explain it. -Ben ------- Original Message ------- On Sunday, April 23rd, 2023 at 3:23 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt <t...@portlandia-it.com> wrote: > Well as I have been on the autism scale myself since I was born and I have > read quite a bit about it in an effort to understand what my differences are, > I perhaps have a radically different view of it than you do. It is not a > disorder unless someone is severely autistic. It is, in fact, an evolutionary > advantage that has become more prevalent in humans for the simple and obvious > reason that it gives people who have "mild" cases of it the ability to be > highly successful with technology and machinery as well as music and the > arts. As humans have become more civilized, people with the genetic group > that causes autism have out competed people that lack this. Einstein for > example is a textbook example. I've worked in high tech since 1994 and the > most successful programmers, engineers, it people, - the "techies" of the > world - are all on the scale. That is after all what the word nerd was coined > to describe. So I am actually rather proud of being on the scale and I DONT > regard having it negatively. I'm sorry you do and I hope you can eventually > realize your view of it being a disorder is discriminatory. IMHO the biggest > proponents of the idea that mild autism is a disorder are old school > educators who's main goal in life is getting kids in school to sit down and > shut up. Happily that view is gradually changing but it's clear we still have > a lot of work to do. > > Get Outlook for Androidhttps://aka.ms/AAb9ysg > > ________________________________ > From: PLUG plug-boun...@pdxlinux.org on behalf of Ben Koenig > techkoe...@protonmail.com > > Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2023 5:29:40 PM > To: Portland Linux/Unix Group plug@pdxlinux.org > > Subject: Re: [PLUG] 3rd party vpn Defense evasion > > ------- Original Message ------- > On Tuesday, April 18th, 2023 at 8:38 AM, Ishak Micheil isaa...@gmail.com > wrote: > > > > > Greetings, > > I am tasked to identify a solution to detecting users obfuscating > > their ip, using verity of VPN services. > > > > What we've done > > - Prevent users from installing software (VPN Cliens) > > > > - Possibly having a code on endpoints, to collect ip addresses tied > > to wifi or LAN connection prior to attaching to VPN service, > > > > any other ideas? > > > > Some people want to debate this ass some sort of political issue, but it's > pretty straight forward. This usually is more of a concern at SMBs that don't > want to splurge for company managed hardware and ask their employees to BYoD. > This then creates anxiety among managers that gets projected down to IT. > > If you control the VDI system, then you have the ability to see who is > connecting. At most companies the VPN software used to connect to the VDI is > ALSO company managed, so you can see that too. > > So, you log all accesses to the VPN on the server side and monitor for > trends. You may not be able to stop an employee from giving out access > credentials, but you can see when the IP address used to connect the VPN > changes. From here, you implement Zero-trust policies where only known IP > addresses are able to access the network because you know the IP address, but > may not have logged it effectively until now. > > There are additional layers of control you can add but it ultimately comes > down to what a given company is willing to provide for their > employees/contractors. I've worked with systems that would make the kind of > subcontracting you describe very difficult but in those cases you end up with > the employer buying a special wifi router for their staff. A lot of managers > will ask for a magical fix without understanding how much effort it takes to > lock this down. For us in IT sometimes we just need to map out all the things > that would need to be implemented and assign a $$$ value to them. Most > companies will decide not to bother at that point. > > > Think of it like an arms race, at what point does your user have to > jump through so many hoops that the act of enabling a subcontractor > becomes more work than the actual job? Or, we could be Ted and go off > on abusive rants about how IT people are autistic for even considering > this type of solution. ;) > > -Ben > > > > > P.S. Hey Denis, I would have posted this info sooner since it's a > pretty interesting question but was discouraged from doing so because > Ted was trying to shit on everyone. May the Facts be with me :)
