A slight correction to the sar command line from my previous email.  Sar
will give you an average, if you want high resolution real time data, then
run sar with a time argument, such as 'sar -B 5' for a report every 5
seconds.

On Fri, Jul 28, 2023 at 4:05 PM Keith Lofstrom <[email protected]> wrote:

> Question about swap file vs swap partition.
>
> I have a dozen spinny disks with too many ancient
> distros on too many machines.
>
> I am slowly consolidating to a few Debian 12 Bookworm
> machines with Samsung terabyte SSDs.
>
>
> When large-RAM low-power fast motherboards become cheap
> enough, I will migrate to those.  More RAM may imply
> larger swap areas (a semi-religious debate I hope to
> avoid). I want to be ready if the "large swap" zealots
> win the debate and design software dependent on swap.
>
> SSD swap seems MUCH better than spinny-disk swap,
> very fast access compared to moving a spinny disk head
> across a platter ... though way slower than RAM.
>
> ----
>
> Large SSD swap also facilitates fast hibernate, though
> Debian startup and shutdown are amazingly fast using
> an SSD (10 seconds startup/login, 2 second shutdown).
>
> Perhaps I don't need hibernate-to-swap.
>
> ----
>
> One of my recent SSD experiments resulted in a too-small
> swap partition.  Inept resizing attempts borked the file
> system.
>
> But ... I can also create a huge swap file on a regular
> ext4 file system, and easily up-size the swap file when
> I install more RAM.  Resizing a partition is more complex.
>
> I've read some online debates about swap partitions vs.
> swap files.  Most of the debates are from the spinny disk
> era; the speed tradeoffs have changed radically.
> My main concern is reliability, software compatibility,
> and ease of maintenance rather than maximum speed.
>
> ----
>
> I suspect I will need SOME separate-partition swap, but
> I hope I can get by with a few gigabytes, relying mostly
> on a big swap file, growing that swap file over time as
> I migrate to motherboards and laptops with more RAM.
>
> At 69.9 years of age, I should also minimize complexity,
> deploying systems that I can maintain with an 80 or 90
> y.o. brain someday.  My father-in-law is 105, and his
> Windoze computer took many days to decrapify.  I won't
> have a son-in-law to do that for me.
>
> So, that's a lot of yammering, another sequela of excess
> age.  In summary:
>
> "Optimum SSD swap? ?? ???"
>
> Keith
>
> --
> Keith Lofstrom          [email protected]
>

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