On May 26, 2011 3:39 PM, "Nicholas Leippe" <[email protected]> wrote

> (There's always the caveat that it's
> not a closed system--that stuff from wherever the initial stuff came
> from can still interact with the stuff we see now with or without more
> "bang" events at some scale.)

I subscribe to the Zelaznian school - this universe is but one of many, each
of which is a shadow cast by the True Pattern, which Dworkin inscribed on an
island in a shifting sea of chaos before time began. Therefore our universe
is not a closed system, but is a small part of a larger cosmos, all of which
interacts in ways we can't see.

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