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Please observe the following quote from John Wayne (of cowboy & WWII 
soldier movie fame):
    I don't feel we did wrong in taking this great country [the United
    Sates] away from them [the natives of North America].  There were
    great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were
    selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.

i think Israel is great.  i have been there, and i definitely preferred 
my stay in Israel over the time i spent with Israel's arab neighbors.  
However, none of that in any way justifies stealing or occupying the 
Palestinian's land - even if all the Palestinians had in mind was to 
deliberately destroy it, which of couse they did not.

My reading of the past 300 years of the region's history suggests that 
if the persisting occupants had been approached correctly by the world 
community a gradual compromise for productive co-existance - including 
immigration of a great many jews - could have been arrived at, even if 
it didn't entail creation of a Zionist state.  In my view, the world 
aready has enough theocratic tyrannies with the US teetering on the edge 
of joining the club as at least an associate member.

That said, in today's world, Israel does in fact exist.  In fact, i am 
completly comfortable with being counted among those who are glad it 
exists.  But, i also ardently support the view that Israel must do more 
to accomodate the Palestinians and make peace with its arab neighbors 
who technically have every bit as much right - if not more - to the land 
that Israel claims as its own.  Israel should at least return to its 
1967 borders.

It's nothing short of a crime to argue the legitimacy of a 3,000 year 
old deed to land that by the official account of the theives themselves, 
that written in the Torah, was stolen from its original occupants in a 
gruesome, barbaric campaign.  Claiming as justification for the current 
invasion that its existing occupants were in some way underutilizing or 
wasting the land is only slightly less obnoxious, and every bit as absurd.

It's almost like the jews think they're white people.

Shalom

Hank Roth wrote:

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>Israel is what it is today because of Jewish hard work and development
>
>Israel was just a place - but because of Jewish efforts to rebuild the 
>land it became attractive not just for other Jews, but also for Arabs to 
>live there. But, that is not how it was before the Yishuv (Jewish 
>settlement).
>
>     "Loosely divided between the provinces of Beirut and Syria, the 
>Palestine of the early 1800s was hardly less than an administrative 
>shambles. Centuries of Turkish indifference and misgovernment had 
>encouraged recurrent warfare between local pashas (not much different than 
>warlords in Afghanistan) and had permitted Bedouin robber bands to 
>terrorize the country's 400,000 inhabitants (by 1840). Trade was minimal. 
>The entire region was agriculture-based, but stunted in its growth by the 
>depredations of tax farmers, by army recruitment, forced labor, drought, 
>and locusts....." (Howard Zachar, "A History of Israel from the Rise of 
>Zionism to Our Time", 2nd Ed, 1996, Knopf)
>
>"Had Palestine remained a neglected backwater of the Ottoman realm, it is 
>unlikely that this meager settlement would have transcended its status as 
>a fossilized curiosity..." (Sachar)
>
>     "The ancient capital (Jerusalem) now shrunken behind its medieval wall 
>to a provincial Ottoman town of 17,000, vegetated in unspeakable squalor. 
>Hygienic facilities were all but nonexistent. Year in and year out, 
>Jerusalem was racked by summer epidemics of typhoid and typhus. Yet those 
>who chose to live there found no alternative to this walled congestion. 
>The city gates were locked at twilight, and the unfortunates who delayed 
>were compelled to spend the night in the open, likely victims of Bedouin 
>robbers. Nor did any of Jerusalem's inhabitants suffer a more painful 
>constriction than the Jews. The Ashkenazim sought a measure of physical 
>protection by erecting their dwellings around courtyards, most of these 
>impacted into a tiny quarter known as the Churva, the "ruin" of Rabbi 
>Judah the Chasid's eighteenth-century settlement...." (Zachar)
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