On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 03:38:10PM -0700, Scott Loughrey wrote: >Bilk: >as verb: 1. to defraud; cheat. ... >as noun: 5. a cheat; swindler. >...
Scott Loughrey's response is one of the usual ones for the Holmgren-Webfairy-Haupt disinformation group. When presented with a rational refutation of their so-called evidence they ignore it, and respond with nonsensical personal attacks. Haupt and Webfairy have done this many times when I and others have shown that their no-WTC-planes "evidence" doesn't at all prove what they say it does. Holmgren, if he responds at all, tends to write long arguments, which when examined turn out, again, not to prove what he says they do, just like his present attack on Steve Jones. Scott Loughery is confusing my family name -- which was "Americanized" from some Russian name (maybe Bialik) by an immigration official on Ellis Island in the 1920s -- with an English word that happens to be spelled the same, but has no connection with it at all. Nico Haupt and Rosalee "Webfairy" Grable have used exactly the same ad hominem attack many times; Haupt even has it on a web page. Scott Loughery, Nico Haupt, and Rosalee "Webfairy" Grable all hope that you folks who read their personal attacks will be so lacking in the ability to think, that you will be influenced by their obvious nonsensical attempt to confuse you. That is what _they_ think of _you_! Mark On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 03:38:10PM -0700, Scott Loughrey wrote: >Bilk: > >as verb: > >1. to defraud; cheat. >2. to evade payment of (a debt). >3. to frustrate. >4. to escape from; elude. > >as noun: > >5. a cheat; swindler. >6. a trick; fraud; deceit. > >--- Mark S Bilk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>Just as with all the claims by Gerard Holmgren, Nico Haupt, >>and Rosalee "Webfairy" Grable that no planes hit the WTC >>towers, one finds on close examination that their alleged >>"evidence" does _not_ prove their claims. They are engaged >>in a program of lying disinformation and scurrilous ad >>hominem attacks which all have the purpose of discrediting >>the 9-11 truth movement. That's why they have concentrated >>their attacks on David Ray Griffin and Steven E. Jones, the >>two researchers who have been among the most successful in >>reaching the public and the news media. >> >>In the present case, here is what Holmgren gives (after >>three pages of crap) as "proof" of his claim that "Jones >>trashes the demolition evidence". It's part of a response >>that Jones wrote after Holmgren had sent him several messages >>containing personal attacks: >> >>"I was not convinced of demolition as a `proven fact' before >>I made `any public appearance or publication.' Nor were >>the faculty assembled at my Sept 2005 seminar at BYU (my >>'debut' seminar on the subject). It was the work I did on >>thermite/ thermate, including experiments done here at BYU, >>that convinced me" >> >>Note that Jones does _not_ say that the free-fall of >>the towers, the pulverization of the concrete, etc., are >>worthless in proving demolition. In fact, just to name >>one instance, on page 9 of a 175 page pdf file about 9-11, >>Jones _cites_ the free-fall evidence. He only says that he >>_personally_, at the time, was not convinced of demolition >>"as a proven fact", until he found chemical evidence of the >>actual incendiary substances used to melt the steel columns. >> >>That just means that Jones, personally, and some BYU faculty >>members, were using a more stringent standard of proof than >>those of us for whom the previous evidence sufficed. >> He is a scientist on the faculty of a major university, >>who has published dozens of research papers in peer-reviewed >>journals. >> Presumably he wanted tangible, not just inferential, evidence >>before risking his reputation, his livelihood, and maybe >>his life by speaking out against the false-flag operation >>that underlies the government's genocidal mass murder in >>Afghanistan and Iraq and installation of a police state here. >> >>Holmgren, Haupt, and Webfairy cannot be trusted. >>Their so-called evidence of planes not hitting the WTC >>is believable only to people who don't have the relevant >>knowledge of video technology and physics. >> >>On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 08:57:42AM -0500, Webfairy >>wrote: >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Gerard Holmgren >>>Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 12:39 AM >>>Subject: New article >>> >>>PROFESSOR STEVEN JONES TRASHES THE DEMOLITION EVIDENCE. >> >>http://members.iinet.net.au/~holmgren/jonestrashesdemolition.html >> Search the archives for political-research at http://www.terazen.com/ Subscribe to the RSS feed for political-research at http://rss.groups.yahoo.com/group/political-research/rss Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/political-research/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
