Check out the following hilarious post.  Regarding EQ -- Empiricism Quotient: 
there is barely a reference to a single person or organization that is 
associated with the foreign policies of the Bush 43 administration, the Iraq 
War and the Global War on Terror!  Supposedly "Nazis" are running the show 
(probably the biggest and loudest meme in the neoconservative psyche and 
propaganda system).

The author fails to mention any specific Nazis, Nazi organizations or Nazi 
documents in play in the Bush 43 administration.  He also fails to mention any 
of the following organizations strongly associated with neoconservatism and the 
Israel lobby which ARE in play, in a highly visible way.  Are we dealing with a 
neocon op here, or honest cognitive issues and problems?  I honestly don't 
know. (Yet again, the members of this particular gatekeeping camp breeze by the 
reality that the Bush 41 inner circle has strongly opposed the neoconservative 
and Christian Zionist policies of the Bush 43 administration -- an immovable 
empirical reality that blows their world model to pieces.)

Some key neoconservative organizations which have dominated the Bush 43 
administration:

1. ADL (Anti-Defamation League)
2. AEI (American Enterprise Institute)
3. AIPAC (American Israel Public Affairs Committee)
4. AJC (American Jewish Committee)
5. American Thinker
6. B'nai B'rith International
7. Benador Associates
8. Birthright Israel
9. CAMERA (Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America)
10. Christian Coalition
11. CNP (Council for National Policy)
12. Commentary
13. Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations
14. CPD (Committee on the Present Danger)
15. CSP (Center for Security Policy)
16. CUFI (Christians United for Israel)
17. David Horowitz Freedom Center
18. DLC (Democratic Leadership Council)
19. FDD (Foundation for Defense of Democracies)
20. Federalist Society
21. Fox News
22. Free Republic
23. Freedom's Watch
24. FrontPage Magazine
25. Henry Jackson Society
26. Heritage Foundation
27. Hollinger International
28. Hoover Institution
29. Hudson Institute
30. Jewish Press
31. Jewish World Review
32. JINSA (Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs)
33. Kissinger Associates
34. Likud
35. Manhattan Institute
36. MEMRI (Middle East Media Research Institute)
37. Middle East Forum
38. Mossad
39. MSNBC
40. National Review
41. New Republic
42. New York Daily News
43. New York Post
44. New York Sun
45. New York Times
46. NewsMax
47. NJDC (National Jewish Democratic Council)
48. One Jerusalem
49. OSP (Office of Special Plans)
50. PNAC (Project for the New American Century)
51. PPI (Progressive Policy Institute)
52. RJC (Republican Jewish Coalition)
53. Saban Institute for Middle East Policy
54. Shalem Center
55. Townhall.com
56. U.S. News & World Report
57. Wall Street Journal
58. Washington Post
59. Weekly Standard
60. WINEP (Washington Institute for Near East Policy)
61. WorldNetDaily
62. ZOA (Zionist Organization of America)

muckblit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:                               Ignores years 
of obscene oilco profits.
 
 Ignores continuity of four generations of Bush backing Hitler from the
 1920's, then Hitlers shah, Guatemala, Argentina, Chile, Indonesia,
 Greece, Saddam, etc, twice-un-elected GWB, pre-emptive war.
 
 Ignores hundreds of years of Sax-Gothburg "german fraternity Skull and
 Bones operating with neocons formerly called Rosicrucians centuries
 ago, then Rothschilds, coldwar Schlesinger liberals, op Max Ratline,
 neocons like Joseph Alsop led US into Vietnam non-strategic quagmire.
 
 CIA, Aramco, Houston oilmen, Rockefeller, same org. 19th century
 Robber Barons backed Hitler, with Prescott Bush managing so-called
 Hitler's Economy which was a utopia financed with US spoils of the
 Robber Barons, including Rockefeller. Sean wants to focus only on the
 Jewish bankers and neocons, making two entities invisible:
 
 Nazis.
 
 Big oil.
 
 We ought to notice instead the continuity of four generations of Bush
 and years of obscene oilco profits during Iraqwar.
 
 Sean must have read Greg Palast's book, Armed Madhouse, which goes
 into detail on the Sax Goatburger(burg, burger is derived from
 biblical Pergamos. Goat-Pergamos is satan's seat and has been for
 years) scheme for Iraq to keep oil in the ground. The hundred year old
 Brit plan and Houston oilmen and Saudi plan was to keep the oil in the
 ground, using pretense of drilling first, then by keeping one national
 oil company under OPEC quota. Neocons upset that with their
 idealogical privatization effort, which does tend to destabilize the
 mideast and invite non-US participation. Sean just gets it wrong by
 portraying nazis and oilmen as non-entities. The same people make
 money off of weapons and war, and are profiting handsomely on oil, and
 6000 tons a year of opium from Afghanistan since US colonialist mercs
 liberated the poppies and nothing else. Oilco and warco are only
 profiting from neocon destabilization of Iraq, and privatization of
 oil would only excuse price-gouging and higher arms spending. May I
 notice "who benefits"? The two parties Sean makes invisible, nazis and
 big oil, benefit.
 
 -Bob
 
 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "mark urban" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 >
 > Sean wrote:
 > 
 > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 > Mark Urban and his fellow cia-druggies have still been unable to 
 > explain how American oil companies are going to profitably extract 
 > oil 
 > from a region of the world in which the natives, thanks to Israel and 
 > the neoconservatives, view them as their most dangerous and hated 
 > enemies.  Russia, China, India and Europe are ready to pounce on the 
 > enormous opportunity that that the neocons have provided them.
 > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 > 
 > Ok, Mr. Sean. let me try to break this down for you:
 > 
 > If Iraq is a giant shit storm like Lebanon, then little or nothing is 
 > going to happen. The killing and infighting will just wear away the 
 > infrastructure. Iraq will be left with a puppet government and those 
 > many firebases and that huge embassy (almost the size of the 
 > vatican) in Baghdad.
 > 
 > As long as nobody can do much with Iraq's oil because of the 
 > war and turmoil, then the oil will not get to market and there will 
 > be 
 > less supply. By every kind of primitive economics I know that means 
 > the 
 > supply line shifts in such a way as to intersect the price line at a 
 > higher intersecting point. Therefore, prices are higher and will stay 
 > higher.
 > 
 > What other benefits are there?  
 > 
 > Well with all that military hardware in the region, do you think the 
 > oil producing neighbors are going to piss on uncle sam's leg? Do you 
 > think they'll do nasty little things like stop using petrodollars?Do 
 > you 
 > think they'll want some of what Iraq got?
 > 
 > Remember the Plot from GOLDFINGER? The plan was not to steal the gold 
 > in Fort Knox, just make it radioactive and unavailable. Then Aurich 
 > Goldfinger's supply of gold would become much more valuable. 
 > 
 > You see, my dear lil' buddy Sean, sometimes your itty bitty brain 
 > just 
 > has to work a little bit harder to understand the big picture.
 >
 
 
     
                               

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