What's happening at the moment is that neoconservatives are trying to encourage as much bigotry, hatred and violence as possible among white ethnic nationalists in Europe and the United States against Arabs, Muslims and Third World peoples. It's a tricky strategy, one probably guaranteed to backfire, since white nationalists are usually virulently anti-Semitic. They'll bide their time while teaming up with neocons to beat up on Arabs and Muslims, and then turn on their erstwhile neoconservative allies. Perhaps the neocons are anticipating and welcoming this development since many of them are ideologically committed to the goal of forcing all the Jews in the world to return to Israel.
Vigilius Haufniensis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: sean, what i said was that the nazis and the zionists work hand in hand. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sean McBride To: political-research@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [political-research] Israeli Gatekeepers in the "Psychedelic" Community VH> i didnt say that bush was going to run out and join the aryan nation. Right. I am just curious why some conspiracy theorists assign so much importance to the supposed role of Nazism in contemporary deep politics vis-a-vis neoconservatism and the Israel lobby, when there is so little empirical evidence to support the claim. There are some Nazis out there, but they are on the political margins, not at the political center. There is nothing resembling a Nazi AIPAC in American politics. The Anglo establishment, as Phil Weiss has pointed out, has been enormously generous in sharing power in recent decades. If the Anglo power elite still ruled the United States, there is not the slightest chance that we would have invaded Iraq. Do white ethnic nationalists control the New York Times, the Washington Post and the rest of the mainstream media? No. Have they controlled the Bush 43 administration? Definitely not. Just take a close look at the composition of the administration. Be empirical. Do neocons have a major interest in hyping the threat of Nazism and distracting attention from their own exercise and abuses of power? Yes. And some gatekeepers in the "psychedelic" community are on the same page with that agenda. Vigilius Haufniensis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: i didnt say that bush was going to run out and join the aryan nation. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sean McBride To: political-research@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [political-research] Israeli Gatekeepers in the "Psychedelic" Community There is a major difference between being a powerful white guy and being a militant white nationalist or white supremacist. Similarly, being a powerful African-American doesn't automatically make one a militant black nationalist and being a powerful Jew doesn't automatically make one a militant Jewish nationalist. Ethnic nationalist movements (like Nazism and Zionism) require systematic and explicit organization and propaganda to survive and thrive. Most expressions of ethnic nationalism have been delegitimized in American politics, with the notable exception of one major group: neoconservatives. Neocons have heavily populated the Bush 43 administration. To the best of my knowledge, white nationalists have played no role at all. As a Christian Zionist, GWB is a member of a Jewish ethnic nationalist cult, not a white nationalist cult. His weepy melodramatic statements about his beliefs in this cult lead one to believe that he is completely sincere -- like John Hagee and many other Christian fundamentalists, he has been authentically brainwashed. There are many rumors floating around about an ongoing affair between GWB and Condoleezza Rice -- it's not clear that he harbors any bigotry against African-Americans. Katrina can perhaps be chalked up to massive incompetence and indifference, not active racist malice. The history of cooperation between Nazism and Zionism is fascinating -- but of course both sides hated one another while using one another. Cooperation between ethnic nationalist movements with conflicting values tends to be highly volatile. Vigilius Haufniensis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: i think "katrina" speaks for itself. are you saying that the "bush cime family" is not a "white nationalist movement?" perhaps it's an "internationalist" movement. i dont think bush and rove are going to come out and SAY they dont like the bruthas anytime soon. just thought it was interesting that the nazis and the zionists actually do have a history of working together. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sean McBride To: political-research@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [political-research] Israeli Gatekeepers in the "Psychedelic" Community I would love to see a list of white ethnic nationalists or white supremacists who are active in the contemporary American power elite (members of the CFR, Forbes billionaires, etc.). Who are they? George W. Bush is a Christian Zionist, not a Nazi. Karl Rove has no history of involvement in white nationalist movements. The neocons, on the other hand, many dozens of them, are all militant Jewish ethnic nationalists. So: your list? I can think of only one white nationalist who is connected at a low level to the neocons (via David Horowitz): David Gaubatz. Anyone else? Nazis in the 1930s cooperated with Zionists only in the sense of strongly encouraging them to leave Germany and Europe. The present year is ***2007***! :) One needs to update one's deep politics database on a regular basis. Vigilius Haufniensis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: well, as lenni brener shows in 51 DOCUMENTS, the zionists and the nazis worked together. then as now. rove's and bush's family involvements with the nazis are well known. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sean McBride To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; political-research@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 9:31 AM Subject: [political-research] Israeli Gatekeepers in the "Psychedelic" Community Check out the following hilarious post. Regarding EQ -- Empiricism Quotient: there is barely a reference to a single person or organization that is associated with the foreign policies of the Bush 43 administration, the Iraq War and the Global War on Terror! Supposedly "Nazis" are running the show (probably the biggest and loudest meme in the neoconservative psyche and propaganda system). The author fails to mention any specific Nazis, Nazi organizations or Nazi documents in play in the Bush 43 administration. He also fails to mention any of the following organizations strongly associated with neoconservatism and the Israel lobby which ARE in play, in a highly visible way. Are we dealing with a neocon op here, or honest cognitive issues and problems? I honestly don't know. (Yet again, the members of this particular gatekeeping camp breeze by the reality that the Bush 41 inner circle has strongly opposed the neoconservative and Christian Zionist policies of the Bush 43 administration -- an immovable empirical reality that blows their world model to pieces.) Some key neoconservative organizations which have dominated the Bush 43 administration: 1. ADL (Anti-Defamation League) 2. AEI (American Enterprise Institute) 3. AIPAC (American Israel Public Affairs Committee) 4. AJC (American Jewish Committee) 5. American Thinker 6. B'nai B'rith International 7. Benador Associates 8. Birthright Israel 9. CAMERA (Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America) 10. Christian Coalition 11. CNP (Council for National Policy) 12. Commentary 13. Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations 14. CPD (Committee on the Present Danger) 15. CSP (Center for Security Policy) 16. CUFI (Christians United for Israel) 17. David Horowitz Freedom Center 18. DLC (Democratic Leadership Council) 19. FDD (Foundation for Defense of Democracies) 20. Federalist Society 21. Fox News 22. Free Republic 23. Freedom's Watch 24. FrontPage Magazine 25. Henry Jackson Society 26. Heritage Foundation 27. Hollinger International 28. Hoover Institution 29. Hudson Institute 30. Jewish Press 31. Jewish World Review 32. JINSA (Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs) 33. Kissinger Associates 34. Likud 35. Manhattan Institute 36. MEMRI (Middle East Media Research Institute) 37. Middle East Forum 38. Mossad 39. MSNBC 40. National Review 41. New Republic 42. New York Daily News 43. New York Post 44. New York Sun 45. New York Times 46. NewsMax 47. NJDC (National Jewish Democratic Council) 48. One Jerusalem 49. OSP (Office of Special Plans) 50. PNAC (Project for the New American Century) 51. PPI (Progressive Policy Institute) 52. RJC (Republican Jewish Coalition) 53. Saban Institute for Middle East Policy 54. Shalem Center 55. Townhall.com 56. U.S. News & World Report 57. Wall Street Journal 58. Washington Post 59. Weekly Standard 60. WINEP (Washington Institute for Near East Policy) 61. WorldNetDaily 62. ZOA (Zionist Organization of America) muckblit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ignores years of obscene oilco profits. Ignores continuity of four generations of Bush backing Hitler from the 1920's, then Hitlers shah, Guatemala, Argentina, Chile, Indonesia, Greece, Saddam, etc, twice-un-elected GWB, pre-emptive war. Ignores hundreds of years of Sax-Gothburg "german fraternity Skull and Bones operating with neocons formerly called Rosicrucians centuries ago, then Rothschilds, coldwar Schlesinger liberals, op Max Ratline, neocons like Joseph Alsop led US into Vietnam non-strategic quagmire. CIA, Aramco, Houston oilmen, Rockefeller, same org. 19th century Robber Barons backed Hitler, with Prescott Bush managing so-called Hitler's Economy which was a utopia financed with US spoils of the Robber Barons, including Rockefeller. Sean wants to focus only on the Jewish bankers and neocons, making two entities invisible: Nazis. Big oil. We ought to notice instead the continuity of four generations of Bush and years of obscene oilco profits during Iraqwar. Sean must have read Greg Palast's book, Armed Madhouse, which goes into detail on the Sax Goatburger(burg, burger is derived from biblical Pergamos. Goat-Pergamos is satan's seat and has been for years) scheme for Iraq to keep oil in the ground. The hundred year old Brit plan and Houston oilmen and Saudi plan was to keep the oil in the ground, using pretense of drilling first, then by keeping one national oil company under OPEC quota. Neocons upset that with their idealogical privatization effort, which does tend to destabilize the mideast and invite non-US participation. Sean just gets it wrong by portraying nazis and oilmen as non-entities. The same people make money off of weapons and war, and are profiting handsomely on oil, and 6000 tons a year of opium from Afghanistan since US colonialist mercs liberated the poppies and nothing else. Oilco and warco are only profiting from neocon destabilization of Iraq, and privatization of oil would only excuse price-gouging and higher arms spending. May I notice "who benefits"? The two parties Sean makes invisible, nazis and big oil, benefit. -Bob --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "mark urban" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sean wrote: > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Mark Urban and his fellow cia-druggies have still been > unable to > explain how American oil companies are going to profitably > extract > oil > from a region of the world in which the natives, thanks to > Israel and > the neoconservatives, view them as their most dangerous and > hated > enemies. Russia, China, India and Europe are ready to pounce > on the > enormous opportunity that that the neocons have provided > them. > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Ok, Mr. Sean. let me try to break this down for you: > > If Iraq is a giant shit storm like Lebanon, then little or > nothing is > going to happen. The killing and infighting will just wear > away the > infrastructure. Iraq will be left with a puppet government > and those > many firebases and that huge embassy (almost the size of the > vatican) in Baghdad. > > As long as nobody can do much with Iraq's oil because of the > > war and turmoil, then the oil will not get to market and > there will > be > less supply. By every kind of primitive economics I know > that means > the > supply line shifts in such a way as to intersect the price > line at a > higher intersecting point. Therefore, prices are higher and > will stay > higher. > > What other benefits are there? > > Well with all that military hardware in the region, do you > think the > oil producing neighbors are going to piss on uncle sam's > leg? Do you > think they'll do nasty little things like stop using > petrodollars?Do > you > think they'll want some of what Iraq got? > > Remember the Plot from GOLDFINGER? The plan was not to steal > the gold > in Fort Knox, just make it radioactive and unavailable. Then > Aurich > Goldfinger's supply of gold would become much more valuable. > > You see, my dear lil' buddy Sean, sometimes your itty bitty > brain > just > has to work a little bit harder to understand the big > picture. > --------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.5/990 - Release Date: 9/4/2007 10:36 PM --------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.7/992 - Release Date: 9/6/2007 8:36 AM --------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.7/992 - Release Date: 9/6/2007 8:36 AM --------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.8/993 - Release Date: 9/6/2007 3:18 PM