The US government doesn't give a damn about US workers, its orientation is towards big business. Anyway what ever happened to bring us your tired and your hungry, your huddled masses. Post war every country welcomed immigrants with open arms because their was plenty of room for the expansion for US capital at home and abroad, especially after the war had blow the crap out of Europe and Asia. Now you have countries desperately trying to expand into each others markets as new opportunities are exhausted, China and India are the last two countries that have the infrastructure for capital expansion. This has resulted in the downsizing of industry as there is not enough for all to go around. Migrants who were once welcomed are now vilified for taking jobs and ruining it for domestic workers and the government milks it because they can't solve a problem that is systemic within capitalism itself. Markets and resources are finite. Each country's industry explodes across its borders in search of new markets and capital in the farthest flung corners of the globe, international antagonisms are sharpened as the competition for new areas of expansion are exhausted, the result is economic chaos and war,
On Sep 9, 9:49 am, SgtUSMC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The US Government should look after US workers, not promote illegal > immigration. > > On Sep 8, 7:09 pm, Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The issue with work and wages is complicated and just because I am a > > socialist doesn't mean I believe in a free ride. "Each to his own > > needs, each to his own capabilities", in other words socialism also > > believes you are obliged to work for what you get. However, workers > > are not obliged, nor in fact should they work for slave wages that > > McDonalds and Wal Mart etc pay, and yes are migrants are found doing > > those jobs all over the world, but it is not just because the locals > > won't do these jobs for the pittance they are paid, it is because > > employers use migrant labor as they are willing to work for less > > therefore driving down the wages of the wider community. As I > > mentioned workers have been played off one against the other driving > > down wages on an international scale since the advent of the > > intergration of globalized production, accounting for the rise in > > company profits, CEO wages and the destruction of working conditions. > > > At some point you can't just accept any job. You have to say I want to > > be paid for what I am worth and I want a job that gives me some sort > > of secure future. I am not just a commodity to be hired and discarded > > at the employers whim. The callibre of work, education and culture > > have all been attacked, we are not machines, we are human beings > > > On Sep 9, 8:46 am, SgtUSMC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > You can't even get what you order at McDonald's anymore because the > > > workers don't speak English very well. It amazing how many people > > > wanted those jobs a year ago and no longer want them. > > > > On Sep 8, 6:32 pm, Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > This is a wrong headed conception, it decreases living standards. The > > > > reason Governments are slashing wages and conditions is to be > > > > competitive with overseas labor, it becomes a race to the bottom for > > > > the wage earner while the capitalist extorts more and more from the > > > > worker. This is the cause of profound social inequality--not getting a > > > > fair day's pay for a fair days work. Workers are being held to ransom, > > > > this is hardly democratic, infact democracy cannot exist where there > > > > is immense social inequality. America was at her most potent when the > > > > welfare state was at its most benevolent. Happy workers are hard > > > > working workers, that was the essence of the New Deal. > > > > > On Sep 9, 8:15 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Sep 8, 3:11 pm, Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > the slashing of wages and > > > > > > conditions and the destruction of the manufacturing sector that has > > > > > > moved offshore in search of cheap labor. > > > > > > This is something that is needed, in order to "Balance" the "earnings" > > > > > around the World... > > > > > > It was bound to happen, and is a good thing, in that it is helping > > > > > raise the living standards of people who desperately need it.- Hide > > > > > quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
