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But why are we STILL there?

On Sep 10, 7:28 am, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Any proof that Saddam had obeyed any one of the 17 UN resolutions
> against him over 12 years about his WMD's which formed his surrender
> agreement after we trounced himn in the 1991 Gulf War???
>
> The reason we went into Iraq.
>
> On Sep 10, 4:18 am, Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Revelations of war crimes and moralizing idealism
> > By Charles Bogle
> > 10 September 2008
>
> > Several months before invading Iraq, President Bush dismissed
> > irrefutable evidence that Iraq did not possess weapons of mass
> > destruction.
>
> > By the close of 2003, with no weapons of mass destruction found and
> > the American public beginning to question the rationale for the war,
> > the White House fabricated a letter that “proved” the purported links
> > between Iraq and al Qaeda as well as Colin Powell’s claim before the
> > United Nations that Niger had shipped uranium to Iraq.
>
> > So reports the Wall Street Journal’s former senior national affairs
> > writer Ron Suskind in The Way of the World: A Story of Truth and Hope
> > in an Age of Extremism.
>
> > Suskind argues that these impeachable offenses are manifestations of
> > America’s loss of its core values and hope for a better future; and
> > that extremism, both in the US and the Mideast had undermined the
> > inability “to walk in the shoes of the ‘other.’”
>
> > This idealism, coupled with a selective historical memory, seriously
> > flaws an otherwise readable and important book.
>
> > Suskind’s evidence for his claims is compelling. A highly placed
> > American intelligence official, who is “always right,” told the author
> > that a few months before the invasion of Iraq, top British
> > intelligence official Michael Shipster had a secret meeting with the
> > Iraq intelligence chief, Tahir Jalil Habbush. During this meeting,
> > Habbush told Shipster “there were no weapons.” “This guy,” related the
> > American, “was the real McCoy. He knew all there was to know.” Yet,
> > when this information was presented to Bush, the American intelligence
> > official reports that the President said, “Fuck it. We’re going in [to
> > Iraq].”
>
> > Habbush was also involved with the fabricated letter, though in an
> > indirect manner. The White House produced a handwritten letter,
> > backdated to July 1, 2001, from Tahir Jalil Habbush to Saddam with the
> > former’s forged signature. A CIA agent then hand-carried the letter to
> > Baghdad for public dissemination.
>
> > The forged letter falsely affirmed that Mohammed Atta, the alleged
> > mastermind of the September 11 terrorist attacks, had visited Iraq and
> > was prepared to carry out attacks on its behalf. It likewise mentioned
> > “a shipment from Niger,” thereby providing apparent substantiation for
> > Bush’s lying claim in his January 2003 State of the Union address that
> > Iraq had sought to obtain uranium in Africa in order to develop
> > nuclear weapons.
>
> > The British and American mainstream media were quick to trumpet this
> > CIA forgery. London’s Daily Telegraph published an article with
> > extensive quotes from the letter and statements supporting its
> > authenticity. Over the next few days, the American media, visual and
> > written, performed the same duty with even greater enthusiasm.
>
> > Former CIA Director George Tenet and former Tenet deputy Robert Richer
> > (Suskind’s main source for the Habbush letter story) have rebutted
> > Suskind’s claims about the Habbush letter. Suskind has responded with
> > a transcript of a taped conversation (available atwww.ronsuskind.com)
> > with Richer in which the former CIA deputy states that the Habbush
> > letter was in fact written on White House stationary.
>
> > Suskind takes us on a walk in others’ shoes by creating an omnipotent
> > narrator who is privy to the thoughts of real and fictional
> > characters. Bush and Cheney, as well as Muslim fundamentalists,
> > represent the extremists refusing to walk in the shoes of the other;
> > while characters such as a young Pakistani Muslim working in
> > Washington, D.C., an American mother, Ann Patrila, who takes in an
> > Afghan college student, a US bureaucrat trying to stop nuclear
> > proliferation, and the late Benazir Bhutto—represent a willingness to
> > “revive hope” and “the beating heart of moral energy.”
>
> > Not surprisingly, to walk in Bush’s shoes is, according to Suskind, to
> > walk in a “bullying presence” whose decisions are based on his “gut”
> > instead of analysis. A prime example of this “presence” is an anecdote
> > concerning the sadistic pleasure Bush experiences as he bicycles
> > alongside his aides’ as they participate in “The President’s 100-
> > Degree Club” (running 3 miles in triple-digit Crawford, Texas, heat)
> > while tauntingly calling out “losers” to those who can’t finish.
>
> > Bush’s bullying, sadistic personality may explain his obscene
> > dismissal of the news that Iraq did not possess WMD, but it explains
> > neither why the US declared a preemptive, brutal war on Iraq nor the
> > larger, objective conditions underlying this decision.
>
> > Certainly, Suskind is correct that many Americans have lost hope in
> > the future, and if by a loss of America’s core values he means the
> > principles of the Enlightenment that informed America’s founding
> > documents, he’s also correct. But these losses long predate the Bush
> > Administration and have far deeper roots than the incumbent
> > President’s personality. The connection between the decision to invade
> > Iraq and America’s declining economic power (and the rise of competing
> > national economies) dating back to the 1960s, receives no attention.
> > Nor does the fact that America has been at war, either directly or
> > indirectly, with a number of countries throughout this period.
>
> > Instead, Suskind offers whitewashed, simplistic descriptions of
> > American foreign policy. Wendy Chamberlain, a fictional character who
> > heads the Washington D.C. Middle East institute and is among the
> > characters whom the author depicts as representing hope and America’s
> > core values, thinks the Marshall Plan was implemented because it was
> > “the right thing to do, and when you do the right thing, you don’t ask
> > for anything in return.”
>
> > That America enacted the Marshall Plan as a strategic decision aimed
> > at insuring markets for its commodities and avoiding the kind of
> > crisis that followed WWI is not considered.
>
> > The author himself writes that because the seventeenth century’s
> > Enlightenment didn’t visit the Muslim countries, the belief that
> > “nothing is as it appears” informs their often duplicitous foreign
> > policy decisions. But because America did experience this
> > Enlightenment, “[t]his sort of brutal gamesmanship has been America’s
> > strong suit” until “[i]ts latest generation of political managers and
> > war-on-terror strategists.”
>
> > Suskind’s assertion begs several questions. Has the author forgotten
> > or chosen to ignore American imperialism’s history of duplicitous
> > actions, e.g., its claims of promoting democracy while effectively
> > creating military-ruled vassalages in much of South America, or the
> > near-genocidal efforts to bring “democracy” to Vietnam? Is he not also
> > aware of America’s history of direct or indirect role in hindering the
> > efforts of Middle East countries to achieve a more enlightened,
> > democratic form of government?
>
> > Suskind’s solution to the current crisis facing mankind amounts to an
> > appeal to global idealism. “The world works” when “everyone moves
> > forward, in a kind of modest (italics added) unison,” he affirms. But
> > how does everyone go about moving forward? And “modestly,” at that?
>
> > To posit, as Suskind finally does, that this movement is possible only
> > by returning to the “American story,” which is “not about the
> > privileged defending what they have with mighty armies or earnest self-
> > regard” (a story Suskind ascribes to the extremist Muslim world) but
> > about “common people” taking control of their lives and “discovering
> > their truest potential,” flies in the face of history.
>
> > The twentieth century lays strewn with the corpses of millions
> > (including those of “common” Americans), who died defending the
> > possessions of the privileged. History also proves that no fundamental
> > social change has occurred “modestly,” as the American, French, and
> > Russian revolutions attest. It is the kind of idealistic
> > interpretation of history presented by Suskind that the privileged
> > promote and depend upon as an ideological prop for their rule.
>
> > Ron Suskind has provided a valuable service in unearthing the lies
> > underlying the criminal invasion of Iraq and consequent tragic loss of
> > lives. But that this service is undermined by an idealistic
> > interpretation of history has necessarily resulted in an equally
> > idealistic, non-tenable solution.- Hide quoted text -
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