This is not simply a product of greed. Capitalism clearly does not work.If it did this meltdown would not be occuring, they would have seen it coming and acted accordingly. It has happened twice to this degree before (1929 & 1895) As well as 1987, 1998 and 2001. It is a global meltdown with its epicenter in the US (world's largest economy) not a democrat or a republican meltdown.
If a world socio-economic system is dependent on the honesty of a minuscule handful of people, in the form of bankers and government officials to operate efficiently--in other words 0000.1 of the worlds population---then it is a system that is a deeply flawed, unworkable, anarchic, undemocratic, plutocratic,anachronism. Which is precisely what it is. This is not my opinion, it is a scientific, mathematical fact. Idle baseless opinion or ideological wishful thinking are a worthless hindrance to our understanding our relationship to the worlds socio-economic forces and the means of production. On Sep 18, 11:09 pm, VT Sean Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No Keith I have a brain and I know Bull Shit when I smell > it. > > Capitalism works, but selfish greed is a destroyer. > > This post was about justifying selfish greed. > > You are just too niave to realize it. > > On Sep 18, 12:32 am, KeithInTampa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Sean, > > > You just demonstrated, that you are a socialist elitst......You either > > fell for, and/or actualy subscribe to the old socialists' trick, > > playing the "class warfare card". > > > For two hundred years, there was a concept in this Nation, the > > proverbial "American Dream", which all Americans used to adhere to, > > and still some productive Americans still cling to; that wealth, > > prosperity, and a life better than what their parents maintaioned, was > > within their grasp. The Democrat Party, which has been infiltrated by > > socialists and communists, have for years attempted to instill in our > > people that government is the answer and only solution for the working > > class. The Democrat Party detests capitalism. That nothing can in > > fact happen without government's oversight and stewardship. The > > Democrat Party has worked hard to force a sense of class warfare. > > > You just demonstrated it here in this thread, and another thread that > > you posted today captioned, "The Cascade Effect, the collapse of the > > US economy. How did it happen, and how do you stop it." > > > If you don't believe me, go back and re-read your messages. You Sir, > > are espousing a socialist message. > > > Respectfully, > > > Keith > > > On Sep 18, 12:08 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >http://www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/000056.html > > > > That capitalism generates wealth is beyond debate. This capitalist > > > reactor of ours easily invents more, learns more, and produces more > > > benefits in a year than mankind did under a millennia of rule by Kings > > > and Barons and Caliphs and Emperors. It s just amazing what people can > > > do when you just get the hell out of their way. > > > > As an economic system for increasing prosperity, you just can t beat > > > it. And those who despise capitalism can t argue with this they just > > > can t. What they can do, perpetually and loudly, is talk about how > > > unfair Capitalism is. Because it allows the hard-working and ambitious > > > to keep the rewards of their hard work and ambition, Capitalism does > > > indeed produce some pretty uneven results. > > > > But does uneven mean unfair? Depends on how you measure fair. > > > > Now far be it for me to split linguistic hairs and argue over what the > > > definition of is is. But if we re going to get to the heart of this > > > unfair business, we have to ask ourselves, unfair to whom? Because if > > > we are to talk intelligently about this, we re going to have to > > > understand something right out of the gate: life is unfair. If life > > > were fair, we d all be the same same intelligence, same drive, same > > > capabilities. But we re not. It is a hallmark of our species that we > > > vary wildly in these and many other categories. That s what makes us > > > so diverse, and we sure want to celebrate that, don t we? > > > > So, when we talk about making things fair, making them equal, we find > > > ourselves in the same impossible conundrum as we do when we discuss > > > The Irresistible Force meeting The Immovable Object. > > > > Cool! Which would win? > > > > Neither. It s an oxymoron. The definition of Irresistible Force means > > > that there cannot be an Immovable Object, and vice versa. You have to > > > pick one or the other. They are mutually exclusive. > > > > Likewise, when we try to measure fair and equal, we have to face the > > > hard reality that people are different. So, do we want to measure an > > > equal front end: equality of opportunity or an equal back end: > > > equality of results? Can t have both. > > > > Here s why: > > > > When the Declaration of Independence thundered that All Men are > > > Created Equal, it meant equal in those essential elements: equal under > > > the law. Equal in terms of basic human rights. Equal in dignity. Equal > > > in the sense that if someone with a lot of money thinks they can cut > > > in front of me at an ATM line just because they re rich, then they can > > > just kiss my Royal Irish Ass! that kind of equal. > > > > But to believe that all people are equally capable is to well not be > > > paying attention, as a quick game of one-on-one half-court between > > > Michael Jordan and Michael Moore will quickly reveal. (note to Don > > > King: There are millions, and I mean millions to be made off this > > > idea. Call me.) > > > > There will always be people smarter than you, and people more stupid; > > > people more and less motivated, ruthless, connected, ambitious, > > > frugal, hardworking than you are. Nothing can change that. Nothing > > > should change that because there lies the Gulag. People are > > > different. Leave them alone. Encourage the downhearted, by all means. > > > Help those in need when they ask for help. But otherwise mind your own > > > business, bub. > > > > Society is as fair as it can get when all people have equal > > > opportunity to make what they will of themselves. We are not there > > > yet. We are close. We are much, much closer than many would have us > > > believe. > > > > But people are different. They will always be different. They will > > > succeed and fail differently. There s no two ways around it. > > > > Like so many flawed ideas beloved by the far left, equality seems like > > > a noble enough goal. Until you think about it. People have different > > > capabilities. So do you want equality of opportunity as I do where > > > people can make of themselves what they will? Or do you want equality > > > of results, where society steps in to make sure that everyone comes > > > out the same? > > > > If society had a magical way of raising the bottom up, of speeding up, > > > buffing up, and tidying up Michael Moore, thereby giving him the means > > > to beat Michael Jordan in our (sadly) mythical game of half-court, > > > well we d all be the winners and life would be just dandy. But, alas, > > > this wonderful, brilliant idea is marred only by the annoying fact > > > that it is demonstrably impossible. Michael Moore can never play as > > > well as Michael Jordan. Never. If you want that game to come out a tie > > > equal! then you are going to have to hobble Michael Jordon. > > > > You re going to have to remove a foot or two from his femurs, stitch > > > him into a clumsy, bulky, ugly suit adding a few hundred pounds, > > > heavily sedate him to slow down his mental powers, fill him full of > > > cheap booze to degrade his aim and coordination oh, and really mess > > > up his face surgically. No fair if people are rooting for him > > > disproportionately! That might hurt Michael Moore s self-esteem and > > > limit his ability to compete. > > > > Do all these things, and more, and you will have two equal players. > > > You will have a really stupid, incompetent, pointless game. You will > > > have removed all the grace, power, style, finesse and genius from a > > > gifted and noble man, and added nothing whatsoever to his opponent. > > > You just made Michael Moore equal to Michael Jordan. Now is that fair > > > to Michael Jordan? > > > > And after you ve done all these things, Michael Jordan will still hand > > > Michael Moore his ass because he thinks and acts like a winner and not > > > a victim. > > > > Equality under the law: good. Essential. > > > > Forcing people of differing skills, motivation and capability to be > > > equal: ruinous. Suicidal. And deeply, deeply unfair. But, for the > > > Berkeley crowd, there s no reason why a fatally flawed, disgusting, > > > historically-demolished idea can t be retried and retried and > > > retried So long as it will fit on a 2x4 foot piece of cardboard that > > > you can hold on the end of a stick while dancing in a public fountain > > > wearing a star-spangled diaper. > > > > Does Capitalism, and its equality of opportunity, produce cruel > > > results? It does. Does Socialism, and it s equality of outcome, > > > produce a fair and happy society? Ask the Russian farmers under > > > Stalin. Ask the Chinese under Mao during the Cultural Revolution. Ask > > > the Cambodians under the Khmer Rouge. > > > > Oh, wait you can t. They ve all been murdered. > > > > On Sep 17, 9:06 pm, VT Sean Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > This is seductive self justification for greed. > > > > > I hear this from 'christians' who say God wants them to be Rich, > > > > yet these same chritians live in gated communities and > > > > send their kids to private schools and want all foreigners > > > > to be rounded up. > > > > > Greed, hate, and zenophobia all rolled up in self deception. > > > > This is just another version of the same old same old. > > > > > On Sep 17, 11:53 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > I think it important to remember just what it means, to some... > > > > > >http://www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/000056.html > > > > > > ...I believe that there are three elements just three that we mix > > > > > in just the right ratio to perform our national alchemy. Look around > > > > > you at the rest of the world. Those who use none of these ingredients > > > > > are disasters, basket cases, failed states where misery and poverty > > > > > crush the life out of what is almost an indomitable human drive to > > > > > create, to nurture, and to prosper. > > > > > > Almost indomitable. There are governments, theories, and people that > > > > > have managed it after many years of hard and dedicated work. > > > > > > We together have wasted enough time talking about these failed ideas, > > > > > these various and sundry kleptocracies, these stinking, wretched > > > > > failures. We know what they are and we know what they look like. Today > > > > > we are hunting success. > > > > > > One of the three, any one, buys you > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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