Well- maybe women should have left the vote to men and stayed home and
raised their children properly. Too late. Poor Sophie Tolstoy- all
those children in such a short period while she wrote out Leo's grand
literature- and he- wandering around like a serf in the end. No rhyme
or reason, Frank. At least we have on view, the vicious nature of
female rivalries.

On Sep 27, 3:41 am, Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't refuse to take part in government, I refuse to recognize that
> the two party system in the US constitutes a form of legitimate
> government. Over the last one hundred years our scientific
> achievements have been phenomenal, while our political and socio-
> economic understanding has stagnated.
>
> On Sep 27, 5:52 pm, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "The punishment which the wise suffer who refuse to take part in the
> > government is to live under the government of worse men." Plato
>
> > On Sep 27, 2:16 am, Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > The fact that Biden is a dirty reprobate doesn't make Palin any less
> > > of an ignorant backward philistine not fit to run a mother's club. She
> > > is a dangerous imbecile, a sociopath.
>
> > > The argument of comparative lunacy is lunacy and exposes the filthy
> > > stinking corpse of US democracy.
>
> > > On Sep 27, 6:12 am, frankg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > With all the dumb shit that's been spewing from Biden's mouth you
> > > > actually have the chutzpah to criticize Palin?  Ha.. that's funny.
>
> > > > On Sep 26, 3:23 pm, PoliticalAmazon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > The LATimes print edition today had a brutally truthful article about
> > > > > Sarah Palin's complete ignorance of nearly everything besides what
> > > > > setting to put her tanning bed at.
>
> > > > > What was "brutally truthful" was the fact that they printed what she
> > > > > said...and she is really, really stupid.  It is quite apparent.
>
> > > > > This Palin schpiel is breathtakingly stupid and bullshitting:
>
> > > > > (BEGIN QUOTE)
> > > > > That's why I say I, like every American I'm speaking with, we're ill
> > > > > about this position that we have been put in . . ." Palin began,
> > > > > before meandering off in fruitless pursuit of coherence.
>
> > > > > But I'll let the governor speak for herself:
>
> > > > > " . . . where it is the taxpayers looking to bail out. But ultimately,
> > > > > what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the
> > > > > healthcare reform that is needed to help shore up our economy. Um,
> > > > > helping, oh -- it's got to be all about job creation too. Shoring up
> > > > > our economy, and putting it back on the right track. So healthcare
> > > > > reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany
> > > > > tax reductions, and tax relief for Americans, and trade, we've got to
> > > > > see trade as opportunity, not as a competitive, um, scary thing, but 1
> > > > > in 5 jobs being created in the trade sector today. We've got to look
> > > > > at that as more opportunity. All of those things under the umbrella of
> > > > > job creation. This bailout is a part of that."
> > > > > (END OF QUOTE)
>
> > > > > ---------
>
> > > > > Here's the article in its entirety:
>
> > > > > (BEGIN QUOTE)
>
> > > > >http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-na-onthemedia26-...
>
> > > > > From the Los Angeles Times
> > > > > ON THE MEDIA
> > > > > Palin talks to Couric -- and if she's lucky, few are listening
> > > > > The financial crisis has an upside for the Republican vice
> > > > > presidential candidate: It takes the spotlight away as she begins
> > > > > answering more pointed questions from the media.
> > > > > By JAMES RAINEY
> > > > > ON THE MEDIA
>
> > > > > September 26, 2008
>
> > > > > A global financial crisis and a not-quite-suspended presidential
> > > > > campaign dominated newspaper front pages and television reports over
> > > > > the last couple of days.
>
> > > > > Bad news for America. But good news for Sarah Palin.
>
> > > > > The economic crisis and John McCain's surprising response have drawn
> > > > > attention away from the Republican vice presidential nominee just as
> > > > > she has started to answer more pointed questions from the media.
>
> > > > > Her third nationally televised interview, with CBS anchor Katie
> > > > > Couric, found Palin rambling, marginally responsive and even more
> > > > > adrift than during her network debut with ABC’s Charles Gibson.
>
> > > > > In a 40-minute session with Couric that aired Wednesday and Thursday
> > > > > nights, the Alaska governor defended her puzzling claim that
> > > > > geographic proximity makes her some sort of expert on Russia; went
> > > > > nearly blank when queried about McCain's achievements as a big-
> > > > > business regulator; agreed America "may find itself" on the road to
> > > > > another Great Depression; and, promoting a troop surge in Afghanistan,
> > > > > casually suggested that it "will lead us to victory there, as it has
> > > > > proven to have done in Iraq."
>
> > > > > The last statement couldn't help but conjure an image from 2003 --
> > > > > President Bush beaming in that green flight suit before the infamous
> > > > > "Mission Accomplished" banner.
>
> > > > > Palin's unblinking certitude gave way at other times in the interview
> > > > > to a striking imprecision, as when she struggled to respond to
> > > > > Couric's suggestion that the $700-billion bailout might be better
> > > > > funneled through middle-class families instead of Wall Street firms.
>
> > > > > "That's why I say I, like every American I'm speaking with, we're ill
> > > > > about this position that we have been put in . . ." Palin began,
> > > > > before meandering off in fruitless pursuit of coherence.
>
> > > > > But I'll let the governor speak for herself:
>
> > > > > " . . . where it is the taxpayers looking to bail out. But ultimately,
> > > > > what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the
> > > > > healthcare reform that is needed to help shore up our economy. Um,
> > > > > helping, oh -- it's got to be all about job creation too. Shoring up
> > > > > our economy, and putting it back on the right track. So healthcare
> > > > > reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany
> > > > > tax reductions, and tax relief for Americans, and trade, we've got to
> > > > > see trade as opportunity, not as a competitive, um, scary thing, but 1
> > > > > in 5 jobs being created in the trade sector today. We've got to look
> > > > > at that as more opportunity. All of those things under the umbrella of
> > > > > job creation. This bailout is a part of that."
>
> > > > > That mind-bender prompted Couric to muse, almost charitably, on "The
> > > > > Early Show" that Palin is "not always responsive when asked questions,
> > > > > and sometimes does slip back to her talking points."
>
> > > > > It didn't go much better for Palin when she tried to clarify the
> > > > > mystery of what her state's proximity to Russia has taught her about
> > > > > that nation. Anyone south of the Arctic Circle would have seen this
> > > > > question coming and had a ready answer. But seemingly not the
> > > > > governor.
>
> > > > > "We have trade missions back and forth," Palin told Couric. "We, we
> > > > > do, it's very important when you consider even national security
> > > > > issues with Russia as Putin rears his head and comes into the airspace
> > > > > of the United States of America, where, where do they go? It's Alaska.
> > > > > It's just right over the border. It is from Alaska that we send those
> > > > > out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful
> > > > > nation, Russia, because they are right there. They are right next to,
> > > > > to our state."
>
> > > > > Certainly, Russia's prime minister, Vladimir Putin, has demonstrated
> > > > > his willingness to invade its small neighbors. But have I missed news
> > > > > of recent provocations by Russian bombers over Kiwalik or Aleknagik?
> > > > > And if Palin has been intensely interested in her neighbor across the
> > > > > Bering Strait, that also has escaped the reporters who follow her most
> > > > > closely.
>
> > > > > In fact, a veteran reporter from her home state, Hal Bernton, reported
> > > > > in the Seattle Times this month how Russian politicians had sought
> > > > > more contact with Palin, but in vain. The governor cut funding and her
> > > > > office's participation, it seems, in the Northern Forum, which
> > > > > promotes relations between regional governments in the Northern
> > > > > Hemisphere.
>
> > > > > A Palin spokeswoman e-mailed that she would provide more detail about
> > > > > Palin's trade activities with the Russkies. No word by deadline.
>
> > > > > But wait. Certainly the issue dominating the news would provide the
> > > > > governor with a respite from these maddening demands for, you know,
> > > > > facts.
>
> > > > > With McCain now depicting himself as the doctor ready to deliver tough
> > > > > medicine to Wall Street, Couric asked Palin to explain what measures
> > > > > he had pushed in the past.
>
> > > > > Palin raised McCain's support of revamped oversight for Fannie Mae and
> > > > > Freddie Mac, the two mortgage giants that are on life support. Fine.
>
> > > > > But when the network anchor pressed for other examples, given that the
> > > > > Republican has been in Congress for nearly three decades, Palin came
> > > > > up blank.
>
> > > > > "I'll try to find some" -- Palin smiled at Couric -- "and bring them
> > > > > to you."
>
> > > > > Palin at least kept her answers shorter during a Q&A with reporters
> > > > > Thursday morning, her first such session since McCain unleashed her on
> > > > > the national scene four weeks ago.
>
> > > > > Although she didn't really answer two of the four questions, many
> > > > > Americans won't hold that against her. They see someone who
> > > > > understands what it's like in a small town.
>
> > > > > Common sense has its value, and commentaries like this one, suggesting
> > > > > Palin's shortcomings, will only confirm to her fans that she is not a
> > > > > pet of the media elite. But it seems only sensible to wonder whether
> > > > > charm and pluck will be enough the next time Putin rears his head.
>
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