Owning your own Home doesn't make you a Property owner?!?!?!?!?!? WTF?!?!?!?!?
And you expect me to read anything else you have said beyond that? I don't think so... So when I make a Trade and profit from it that is a "Salary" in your tiny little mind? On Oct 12, 3:05 pm, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Owning your own home does not make you capitalist or a property > owner. > > A capitalist controls the means of productiona and makes decisions > about what is produce, how it is produced and how it is distributed. > Capitalist employ armies of waged labour--9/10ths of the pouplation-- > to produce goods not for their benefit but solely to make enormous > profit for him, while paying labourers no more than subsitance wages. > Capitalist own great swathes of land and property, shares and > investments apart from their place of residence. That is private > property. Your home is your personal property and two thirds of > Americans don't even own that, infact many can't afford the bodies > they live in. > > Do you own the means of production Garr? If not, if you receive a > salary, like it or not, you are not a capitalist, you are slave wage > labor, exploited by those you so regularly fawn over, > > On Oct 13, 4:09 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Funny... > > > Fully 1/3 of all Homes in the U.S. are bought and paid for. > > > I believe that is a few more than 1 in 10... > > > And you wonder why people question the "facts" you just throw around > > here? > > > On Oct 12, 3:06 am, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > We Communists have been reproached with the desire of abolishing the > > > right of personally acquiring property as the fruit of a man’s own > > > labour, which property is alleged to be the groundwork of all personal > > > freedom, activity and independence. > > > > Hard-won, self-acquired, self-earned property! The abolition of this > > > state of things is called by the bourgeois, abolition of individuality > > > and freedom! > > > > You are horrified at our intending to do away with private property. > > > But in your existing society, private property is already done away > > > with for nine-tenths of the population; its existence for the few is > > > solely due to its non-existence in the hands of those nine-tenths. You > > > reproach us therefore, with intending to do away with a form of > > > property, the necessary condition for whose existence is the non- > > > existence of any property for the immense majority of society. > > > > In one word, you reproach us with intending to do away with your > > > property. Precisely so; that is just what we intend. > > > > From the moment when labour can no longer be converted into capital, > > > money, or rent, into a social power capable of being monopolised, > > > i.e., from the moment when individual property can no longer be > > > transformed into bourgeois property, into capital, from that moment, > > > you say, individuality vanishes. > > > > You must, therefore, confess that by “individual” you mean no other > > > person than the bourgeois, than the middle-class owner of property. > > > This person must, indeed, be swept out of the way, and made > > > impossible. > > > > Communism deprives no man of the power to appropriate the products of > > > society; all that it does is to deprive him of the power to subjugate > > > the labour of others by means of such appropriations. > > > > It has been objected that upon the abolition of private property, all > > > work will cease, and universal laziness will overtake us. > > > > According to this, bourgeois society ought long ago to have gone to > > > the dogs through sheer idleness; for those of its members, who work, > > > acquire nothing, and those who acquire everything do not work. The > > > whole of this objection is but another expression of the tautology: > > > that there can no longer be any wage-labour when there is no longer > > > any capital. > > > > All objections urged against the Communistic mode of producing and > > > appropriating material products, have, in the same way, been urged > > > against the Communistic mode of producing and appropriating > > > intellectual products. Just as, to the bourgeois, the disappearance of > > > class property is the disappearance of production itself, so the > > > disappearance of class culture is to him identical with the > > > disappearance of all culture. > > > > That culture, the loss of which he laments, is, for the enormous > > > majority, a mere training to act as a machine. > > > But don’t wrangle with us so long as you apply, to our intended > > > abolition of bourgeois property, the standard of your bourgeois > > > notions of freedom, culture, law, &c. Your very ideas are but the > > > outgrowth of the conditions of your bourgeois production and bourgeois > > > property, just as your jurisprudence is but the will of your class > > > made into a law for all, a will whose essential character and > > > direction are determined by the economical conditions of existence of > > > your class. > > > > The selfish misconception that induces you to transform into eternal > > > laws of nature and of reason, the social forms springing from your > > > present mode of production and form of property – historical relations > > > that rise and disappear in the progress of production – this > > > misconception you share with every ruling class that has preceded you. > > > What you see clearly in the case of ancient property, what you admit > > > in the case of feudal property, you are of course forbidden to admit > > > in the case of your own bourgeois form of property. > > > > Abolition of the family! Even the most radical flare up at this > > > infamous proposal of the Communists. > > > The bourgeois clap-trap about the family and education, about the > > > hallowed co-relation of parents and child, becomes all the more > > > disgusting, the more, by the action of Modern Industry, all the family > > > ties among the proletarians are torn asunder, and their children > > > transformed into simple articles of commerce and instruments of > > > labour.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
