Some scholars argue that the so called wild west was such a stateless society and that crime and violence increased after states were created
Of course the subnormals here can't read anything over the level of a Madcow blog http://mises.org/journals/jls/3_1/3_1_2.pdf On Wednesday, December 18, 2013, Bob Wynman wrote: > *That’s a terrific question, Al! Thank you for thinking it up & bringing > it up for discussion.* > > > > *What happen after the Colonists declared their independence from the > coercive State that was England, knowing no alternative for operating their > society, they rather quickly created a new coercive State to rule them. > Yes, they were brilliant, well educate, mostly well-intentioned men of > integrity.* > > > > *But they lacked the tools built in the last 200+ years. They did not > have access to the work of Nock, Thoreau, LeFevre, Galambos, Rand, > Rothbard, Snelson, Riness, Molyneux, etc.. If those thinkers & the rest > who’ve built the liter of the Stateless society had been a couple centuries > earlier, our founders would NOT have created the monster to which they gave > birth … and after ten generations in a free society, people today would not > be able to imagine a society of willing-slaves like ours clamoring for ever > more State theft and “free” stuff. --bob* > > > > *Re: “*"All men are created equal", Bob-- but they never stay that way. > Expecting them to stay equally voluntary is a pipe dream. *”* > > > > *--EXACTLY, Al. In a free society we all have an equal opportunity to > become as unequal as possible, which is precisely in line with human > nature. ‘tis the utopian socialist/collectivist/Statist systems that force > “equality of result” on everyone … at the expense of your most successful > neighbors. –bob* > > > > *In a free society, Al, the consumers are always the “bosses of > business”. The only way producers can succeed in a free society is by > providing the highest quality goods/service at the lowest possible price. – > bob* > > > > *RE: “*the process of being "employed"-- which is synonymous with being > "used", ya know*”??!?* > > > > *--Al, I’m surprised you’d use that crappy bit of Marxist pseudo-thought. > In a free society, if you feel you’re being “used” & don’t like it, you > exit that relationship. * > > > > > *The State is only the “servant” of politicians/thugs who run it. * > > > > *-- bob * > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 18, 2013 2:03 PM > > *Subject:* Re: PosterGuy o0n Dispute Resolution in the Voluntary Society > > > > Ummm. . . > > *"Freed of the strangling taxes and regulation of the State, > entrepreneurial, creative free humans devise the highest quality, lowest > cost systems for doing EVERYTHING." * > > > That describes the creation of the US reasonably well, you know. That's > what the founding fathers did. And with the best of their intentions too. > The question is, what happened next? > And the answer is, "entrepreneurial, creative free humans devised the > highest quality, lowest cost ways to make the system work to their > particular advantage and greater profit. And what better capitalist > intention is there than that? > > And that's what would happen to the "voluntary society" system too if it > was implemented. > Once it was established, "entrepreneurial, creative free humans" would > devise the highest quality, lowest cost ways to make the "voluntary system" > work to their particular advantage and greater profit. And then they'd > devise the highest quality, lowest cost ways to make sure that remained the > ongoing state of affairs in the voluntary society. A steady "state", ya > know > > "All men are created equal", Bob-- but they never stay that way. > Expecting them to stay equally voluntary is a pipe dream. The capitalist > business model guarantees that they won't. Some entrepreneurial, creative > free humans are going to get control of a whole lot of other people's > "voluntary" by becoming the bosses of businesses-- and that whole lot of > others will lose their "voluntary" in the process of being "employed"-- > which is synonymous with being "used", ya know. > > *"What HAS been proven, by 6,000 years of human history documenting the > trial of every conceivable variation of State control is that State control > of our lives produces lasting war, poverty and servitude and cannot produce > peace, prosperity and freedom." * > > > > For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. "State control" > of individuals, and control of the State by individuals, are inseparable. > The government is always someone's, or "more-than-one's" employee, and the > State is always some-one-or-more's servant. > And you insist that's the all the servant's fault. > :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Wynman <[email protected]> > Sent: Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:59 am > Subject: PosterGuy o0n Dispute Resolution in the Voluntary Society > > *For those interested, Rothbard, Galambos, Snelson, Molyneux, Riness & > many others have provided extensive info on the “Dispute Resolution” issue > in the free society.* > > *Here’s a small bit of some of the work on this subject, from > http://www.capitalismtheliberalrevolution.com/chapter/replacements-for-the-political-state/ > <http://www.capitalismtheliberalrevolution.com/chapter/replacements-for-the-political-state/>:* > > *“*For private disputes, state laws provide a system of courts for > dispute resolution. However, the civil justice system is expensive, > time-consuming and produces injustice as well as justice in all too many > cases. Its very costliness is an injustice. The general American rule about > attorneys’ fees is that the loser in litigation does *not* have to pay > the winner’s attorneys’ fees. That rule promotes injustice by encouraging > lawsuits that are frivolous and lacking in merit. > > The failings of the state system of justice are causing people in ever > increasing numbers to choose privately operated crime detection and > prevention services and dispute resolution through arbitration and > mediation. These services are growth industries precisely because they > provide far better property protection and dispute resolution service than > the state justice system. > > The topics of justice, the injustice of the American criminal justice > system, and better ways of achieving true justice were covered in lecture > number 12 of Course V-50, and will be examined in some detail in chapters > near the end of the V-50 portion of this website. Some good thinking in > this field is already available, for example two books by Professor Bruce > L. Benson on free enterprise systems of what are now called civil and > criminal justice. > 16<http://www.capitalismtheliberalrevolution.com/chapter/replacements-for-the-political-state/#note-110-16> > *”* > > > > *Yes, Galambos had suggestions for mediating disputes in a voluntary > society, so did Rand, Rothbard, LeFevre, Nock, * > > *Spooner & hundreds of other pro-freedom thinkers & currently the ideas of > Molyneux. Snelson, Riness & hundreds of others are available for anyone > interested.* > > > > *The point is that there’s no set dictated “model” for mediation in the > voluntary society. Freed of the strangling taxes and regulation of the > State, entrepreneurial, creative free humans devise the highest quality, > lowest cost systems for doing EVERYTHING. What HAS been proven, by 6,000 > years of human history documenting the trial of every conceivable variation > of State control is that State control of our lives produces lasting war, > poverty and servitude and cannot produce peace, prosperity and freedom.* > > > > *Were we to spoon-feed you any of the thousands of versions of mediation > in a free society that you’re too lazy to look up yourselves, you’ve > already got your reply written & ready (just as your beloved Patriot Act & > Homeland Security “laws” were written & ready long before the 911 crisis):* > > > > *“But that couldn’t work & here’s why…” …. Followed by your usual string > of falsifications, misrepresentations & half-truths. It’s an > accomplish-nothing waste of time, Tom.* > > > > *Been there, done that* > > > > *--bob & lou* > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 18, 2013 6:37 AM > > *Subject:* Re: St. Nicholas > > -- -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "PoliticalForum" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
