Plain ol... at the end of every day money talks and Bull Shit walks. Israel put the cash up... the US just blah blah blahd.
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 8:55 AM, plainolamerican <[email protected]>wrote: > Yes, Plain ol ... you revised ... your claim as to when Israel apologized > and took full responsibility was without foundation > --- > In May 1968, the Israeli > government<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Israel>paid US$3,323,500 > (US$22.5 million in 2014) as full payment to the families > of the 34 men killed in the attack. In March 1969, Israel paid a further > $3,566,457 in compensation to the men who had been wounded. On 18 December > 1980, it agreed to pay $6 million as settlement for the final U.S. bill of > $17,132,709 for material damage to the *Liberty* herself plus 13 years' > interest.[7]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident#cite_note-NSAhistory64-7> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident > > Dean Rusk <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Rusk>, U.S. Secretary of > State at the time of the incident, wrote: > > I was never satisfied with the Israeli explanation. Their sustained attack > to disable and sink *Liberty* precluded an assault by accident or some > trigger-happy local commander. Through diplomatic channels we refused to > accept their explanations. I didn't believe them then, and I don't believe > them to this day. The attack was > outrageous.[66]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident#cite_note-66> > > Retired naval Lieutenant > Commander<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lieutenant_Commander_%28United_States%29> > James > Ennes<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=James_Ennes&action=edit&redlink=1>, > a junior officer <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junior_officer> (and > off-going Officer of the > Deck<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Officer_of_the_Deck>) > on *Liberty*'s bridge at the time of the attack, authored a book titled > *Assault > on the Liberty* describing the incident during the Six Day > War<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Day_War>in June 1967 and saying, among > other things, it was deliberate. > [67] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident#cite_note-67>Ennes > and Joe > Meadors <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Meadors>, also survivors of the > attack, run a website about the > incident.[68]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident#cite_note-68>Meadors > states that the classification of the attack as deliberate is the > official policy of the USS *Liberty* Veterans > Association<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_Veterans_Association> > ,[69]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident#cite_note-usslibertyveterans.org-69>to > which survivors and other former crew members belong. Other survivors > run several additional websites. Citing Ennes's book, Lenczowski notes: > *Liberty*'s personnel received firm orders not to say anything to anybody > about the attack, and the naval inquiry was conducted in such a way as to > earn it the name of > "coverup".[54]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident#cite_note-LenczAmPres-54> > > In 2002, Captain Ward Boston <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward_Boston>, > JAGC, U.S. Navy, senior counsel for the Court of Inquiry, said that the > Court of Inquiry's findings were intended to cover up what was a deliberate > attack by Israel on a ship it knew to be American. In 2004, in response to > the publication of Jay Cristol <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Cristol>’s > book *The Liberty Incident*, which Boston said was an "insidious attempt > to whitewash the facts" he prepared and signed an affidavit in which he > said that Admiral Kidd had told him that the government ordered Kidd to > falsely report that the attack was a mistake, and that he and Kidd both > believed the attack was > deliberate.[70]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident#cite_note-70>On > the issue Boston wrote, in part: > > The evidence was clear. Both Admiral Kidd and I believed with certainty > that this attack, which killed 34 American sailors and injured 172 others, > was a deliberate effort to sink an American ship and murder its entire > crew. Each evening, after hearing testimony all day, we often spoke our > private thoughts concerning what we had seen and heard. I recall Admiral > Kidd repeatedly referring to the Israeli forces responsible for the attack > as 'murderous bastards.' It was our shared belief, based on the documentary > evidence and testimony we received first hand, that the Israeli attack was > planned and deliberate, and could not possibly have been an accident. > > > > > On Friday, April 18, 2014 4:57:28 PM UTC-5, THE ANNOINTED ONE wrote: > >> Yes, Plain ol ... you revised ... your claim as to when Israel apologized >> and took full responsibility was without foundation other than whim and >> whimsy with a tad bit of bigotry thrown in... not only was the apology >> immediate so were Ten times the US payment to the dead and wounded. >> >> The ship type was that of a common freighter sold all over the world to >> many different companies and governments by the US. It could have easily >> been confused for a known type in those waters (First time for this type >> under a US flag) and it did NOT communicate or identify itself. >> >> This was FUBAR by whoever was on that bridge at the time.... get a grip. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 10:33 AM, plainolamerican >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Quit revising history >>> --- >>> I didn't revise anything ... and yes, religion is bullshit created in >>> the imaginations of man. >>> >>> >>> On Friday, April 18, 2014 11:08:55 AM UTC-5, THE ANNOINTED ONE wrote: >>>> >>>> It is within my scope of knowledge to say that the first payment >>>> (apology, admission of guilt) was made to the families of those killed >>>> within a year of the incident and that the following year the wounded also >>>> received compensation. The US was also repaid the cost of refitting the >>>> ship. >>>> >>>> Gee Plain ol... just how fast can a government go ? >>>> >>>> The Liberty was told to stay away from the coast... it did not due to a >>>> supposed US communications snafu. Not Israels fault but they speedily paid >>>> the reparations to both the human cost and the material cost. >>>> >>>> Quit revising history to fit your fear of religion Bull Shit. >>>> >>>> On Friday, April 18, 2014 10:00:05 AM UTC-6, plainolamerican wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Nehenatuh >>>>> --- >>>>> should be sitting in a US prison for treason. >>>>> yes ... he's still an American citizen and participated in spying on >>>>> the US government. >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, April 17, 2014 8:49:05 PM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Nehenatuh (sic) comes to mind, as does most of the Jewish Prime >>>>>> Ministers as well as their oppositon for the last 45 years, but I >>>>>> digress.....What to you think the motive was for Israel attacking the >>>>>> Liberty Plain Ol'? Obviously you are convinced, as others are, that this >>>>>> was not an accident and a malicious attack against the US by one of our >>>>>> allies. Again, what was the motive? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 5:45 PM, plainolamerican < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Name all the jews that denounced the jewish bombing of the USS >>>>>>> Liberty, killing 34 American soldiers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> thought so. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> btw - they denied it for years but eventually came clean and paid >>>>>>> reparations. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thursday, April 17, 2014 11:45:18 AM UTC-5, Travis wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <http://www.barenakedislam.com/?author=1> >>>>>>>> Why you should fear your ‘peaceful’ Muslim >>>>>>>> neighbors<http://www.barenakedislam.com/2014/04/16/why-you-should-fear-your-peaceful-muslim-neighbors/> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> by BareNakedIslam <http://www.barenakedislam.com/?author=1> >>>>>>>> Why you should fear your ‘peaceful’ Muslim neighbors >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *[image: Islam-means-peace-e1397627877279]* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *A German’s View on Islam* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *The author of this piece is Dr. Emanuel Tanya, a well-known and >>>>>>>> well-respected psychiatrist. A man, whose family was German aristocracy >>>>>>>> prior to World War II, owned a number of large industries and estates. >>>>>>>> When >>>>>>>> he was asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he >>>>>>>> gave can >>>>>>>> guide our attitude toward fanaticism.* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *‘Very few people were true Nazis,’ he said, ‘but many enjoyed the >>>>>>>> return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care.* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of >>>>>>>> fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, >>>>>>>> before >>>>>>>> we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the >>>>>>>> world had come. My family lost everything. I ended up in a >>>>>>>> concentration >>>>>>>> camp and the Allies destroyed my factories.’* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *We are told again and again by ‘experts’ and ‘talking heads’ that >>>>>>>> Islam is the religion of peace and that the vast majority of Muslims >>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>> want to live in peace.* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely >>>>>>>> irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and >>>>>>>> meant to somehow diminish the specter of fanatics rampaging across the >>>>>>>> globe in the name of Islam.* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in >>>>>>>> history.* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *It is the fanatics who march.* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide.* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or >>>>>>>> tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the >>>>>>>> entire >>>>>>>> continent in an Islamic wave.* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honor-kill. * >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque.* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of >>>>>>>> rape victims and homosexuals.* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to become >>>>>>>> suicide bombers.* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *The hard, quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the >>>>>>>> ‘silent majority,’ is cowed and extraneous.* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live >>>>>>>> in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of >>>>>>>> about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant.* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *China’s huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese >>>>>>>> Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a >>>>>>>> warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across >>>>>>>> South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic >>>>>>>> murder >>>>>>>> of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and >>>>>>>> bayonet.* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *And who can forget Rwanda, which collapsed into butchery. Could it >>>>>>>> not be said that the majority of Rwandans were ‘peace loving’?* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all >>>>>>>> our powers of reason, we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of >>>>>>>> points:* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence.* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don’t speak up, >>>>>>>> because like my friend from Germany, they will awaken one day and find >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, >>>>>>>> Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up >>>>>>>> until >>>>>>>> it was too late.* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Now Islamic prayers have been introduced into Toronto and other >>>>>>>> public schools in Ontario, and, yes, in Ottawa too while the Lord’s >>>>>>>> Prayer >>>>>>>> was removed (due to being so offensive?) The Islamic way may be >>>>>>>> peaceful >>>>>>>> for the time being in our country until the fanatics move in.* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *In Australia, and indeed in many countries around the world, >>>>>>>> many of the most commonly consumed food items have the halal emblem on >>>>>>>> them.* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Just look at the back of some of the most popular chocolate bars, >>>>>>>> and at other food items in your local supermarket.* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Food on aircraft have the halal emblem, just to appease the >>>>>>>> privileged minority who are now rapidly expanding within the nation’s >>>>>>>> shores.* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *In the U.K, the Muslim communities refuse to integrate and there >>>>>>>> are now dozens of “no-go” zones within major cities across the country >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> the police force dare not intrude upon.* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Sharia law prevails there, because the Muslim community in those >>>>>>>> areas refuse to acknowledge British law.* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the >>>>>>>> only group that counts – the fanatics who threaten our way of life.* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Lastly, anyone who doubts that the issue is serious and just >>>>>>>> deletes this email without sending it on, is contributing to the >>>>>>>> passiveness that allows the problems to expand.* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *So, extend yourself a bit and send this on and on and on! 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