The DHS Secretary just gave a Press Conference, and still denies that any ISIS Terrorists have been caught on the Border. Secretary Jeh Johnson did admit today that four (4) Kurdish men were arrested attempting to enter the U.S. from our Southern Border (illegally) who are purportedly fighting against ISIS......
And Plain Ol' believes this man! On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > The United States was not created as a secular Nation, nothing written > by our Founding Fathers (other than your revisionist history) could make > any sane individual come to such a conclusion. It is true that Americans > have a right to choose what faith if any, that they may wish to follow or > subscribe to, but our laws, our culture, our history, our very principals, > even the buildings that were first created in this Nation, all bear witness > to us being a Christian Nation, period. > > > > On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 3:00 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected] > > wrote: > >> America is a Christian Nation-State, >> --- >> wrong again ... America was created as a secular nation. >> >> In 1797, the United States Senate >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate> ratified a treaty >> with Tripoli <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripoli> that stated in >> Article 11: >> >> As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, >> founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of >> enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen; and, as >> the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any >> Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising >> from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony >> existing between the two countries.[62] >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state#cite_note-62> >> >> >> >> with Christian morals, tenets, principals, and that is what has made us >> Great! >> --- >> hogwash. >> Establishment Clause <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Establishment_Clause> >> and Free Exercise Clause >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Exercise_Clause> >> >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Thomas_Jefferson_by_Rembrandt_Peale,_1800.jpg> >> >> Thomas Jefferson <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson>, the >> third President of the United States >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_United_States>, whose >> letter to the Danbury Baptists Association is often quoted in debates >> regarding the separation of church and state. >> >> In English, the exact term is an offshoot of the phrase, "wall of >> separation between church and state", as written in Thomas Jefferson >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson>'s letter to the Danbury >> Baptist Association >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptists_in_the_history_of_separation_of_church_and_state> >> in 1802. In that letter, referencing the First Amendment to the United >> States Constitution >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution>, >> Jefferson writes: >> >> Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between >> Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his >> worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not >> opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole >> American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law >> respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise >> thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church and State.[15 >> ] >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state#cite_note-Jefferson11-15> >> >> Jefferson was describing to the Baptists that the United States Bill of >> Rights prevents the establishment of a national church, and in so doing >> they did not have to fear government interference in their manner of >> worship. The Bill of Rights was one of the earliest examples in the world >> of complete religious freedom (adopted in 1791, only preceded by the >> Declaration >> of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_the_Rights_of_Man_and_of_the_Citizen> >> in 1789). >> >> >> On Thursday, October 9, 2014 1:47:46 PM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: >>> >>> Opinion Noted Plain Ol'. Sadly for you, we are witnessing Americans >>> returning to their Christian roots, and seeking answers.....I know that >>> this bothers you, and that in and of itself is unfortunate. Whether you >>> like it, (and obviously you don't!) America is a Christian Nation-State, >>> with Christian morals, tenets, principals, and that is what has made us >>> Great! >>> >>> Keep on trying to re-write history! Let us know how that is working for >>> ya! >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:41 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> find a deprogramer who specializes in religious brainwashing asap. >>>> >>>> Americans do in fact believe in and support, the concept of >>>> "Community", >>>> --- >>>> yep .. some even promote socialism. >>>> >>>> they believe in an "Authority" including a "Higher Authority"; >>>> --- >>>> only some Americans. >>>> secular America is growing and the religious are dwindling. >>>> >>>> and the concept of "Eternity" is not a foreign concept to American >>>> Christians or even American Agnostics! >>>> --- >>>> eternity is a religious myth to ignore. >>>> so are gods and religions. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thursday, October 9, 2014 1:29:54 PM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Plain Ol cut and pasted: >>>>> >>>>> *"Jewish life is based on values like authority, community, and >>>>> eternity. As a result, American Jews sometimes find their Jewish values >>>>> at >>>>> odds with the values of the American society in which they live."* >>>>> >>>>> *"Americans pride themselves on being independent thinkers who recoil >>>>> at being told what to do or what to believe. How do we reconcile this with >>>>> Judaism's central principle of mitzvah--our obligation to live life in >>>>> service to God according to a defined set of practices?"* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Huh? This is "mumbo jumbo"! First, Americans do in fact believe in >>>>> and support, the concept of "Community", they believe in an "Authority" >>>>> including a "Higher Authority"; and the concept of "Eternity" is not a >>>>> foreign concept to American Christians or even American Agnostics! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Again Plain Ol', Mumbo Jumbo! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:22 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Show me where Judaism is in any way in conflict with Western society >>>>>> and culture please.....If you can show me that, I will march right along >>>>>> with you! >>>>>> ---- >>>>>> Jewish life is based on values like authority, community, and >>>>>> eternity. As a result, American Jews sometimes find their Jewish values >>>>>> at >>>>>> odds with the values of the American society in which they live. >>>>>> >>>>>> Americans pride themselves on being independent thinkers who recoil >>>>>> at being told what to do or what to believe. How do we reconcile this >>>>>> with >>>>>> Judaism's central principle of *mitzvah*--our obligation to live >>>>>> life in service to God according to a defined set of practices? >>>>>> Commandedness >>>>>> >>>>>> The Hebrew word mitzvah means "command." There is an identical word >>>>>> in Yiddish (*mitzveh*) that means "good deed." Most people use these >>>>>> words interchangeably, but they are polar opposites. A good deed is done >>>>>> for another person out of kindness. A commandment is done to serve God >>>>>> out >>>>>> of obligation. The difference is that as Jews, we are obligated even when >>>>>> we're not feeling kindly or we think we've done enough. >>>>>> >>>>>> From a Jewish perspective, people who take the commandments upon >>>>>> themselves do not sacrifice their personal autonomy. According to the >>>>>> *Sayings >>>>>> of the Fathers* (6:2), "The only free person is one who is concerned >>>>>> with Torah." True autonomy comes when people can live free of the >>>>>> limitations of human nature by attaching themselves to a "Higher >>>>>> Authority." The Hebrew definition of mitzvah reflects this religious >>>>>> understanding, while the Yiddish one reflects a more secular view. >>>>>> Apparently, this debate has been going on long enough to enter the >>>>>> language. >>>>>> Reinterpretation >>>>>> >>>>>> The discrepancies between our American and Jewish values create a >>>>>> dilemma around which we have tiptoed. One of Judaism's greatest strengths >>>>>> has been its ability to adapt to its surroundings. In this spirit, we >>>>>> have >>>>>> created an "American Midrash" learning to live with certain >>>>>> contradictions. >>>>>> >>>>>> An example of American Midrash is our interpretation of Hanukkah and >>>>>> Passover as freedom holidays--reflecting American ideals. The Hanukkah >>>>>> story is actually about the internal Jewish struggle between >>>>>> assimilationists (Hellenists) and zealots (the Maccabees) who wanted to >>>>>> preserve Judaism from the influences of Greek society. But it fits better >>>>>> into our American context to see it as a battle for freedom of religion. >>>>>> >>>>>> Similarly, the point of the Passover story is not the physical >>>>>> freedom from slavery celebrated at the Red Sea and seder tables in >>>>>> America, >>>>>> but rather the events at Mount Sinai where the Israelites, freed from >>>>>> their >>>>>> Egyptian masters, were able to obey a new and more demanding master--God. >>>>>> >>>>>> An awareness of this contradiction is beginning to bubble to the >>>>>> surface. Rabbi Eric Yoffie, president of the Union for Reform Judaism, >>>>>> called for a Reform movement "grounded in autonomy and pluralism and also >>>>>> willing to talk of obligations." He called for observance that is >>>>>> "regular >>>>>> and consistent," and asserted that "our actions need not always begin >>>>>> with >>>>>> our own impulses." >>>>>> >>>>>> We live in a society where fulfilling our personal needs and desires >>>>>> is seen as our birthright. But as the late Professor Yeshayahu Leibowitz >>>>>> wrote in his essay "Commandments," "Every action through which one >>>>>> satisfies his own needs, whether physical or spiritual, is a service to >>>>>> himself and not service to God." >>>>>> More Contradictions >>>>>> >>>>>> Another contradiction: Except in times of extreme crisis, it is >>>>>> unusual for the American "we" to supersede the self. In Judaism, even our >>>>>> prayers are written in the plural. Herbert Bronstein, writing in >>>>>> *Tikkun* magazine, says, "Since God's covenant is with the community >>>>>> of Israel, a communal consciousness... transcends the individual self." >>>>>> >>>>>> Finally, American society is goal-oriented in nature, while Judaism >>>>>> is not. One can never do mitzvot well enough to stop doing them or reach >>>>>> the pinnacle of holiness and rest. Think of Neilah, the concluding Yom >>>>>> Kippur prayer service-- the shofar sounds, all is forgiven, and yet, the >>>>>> very next words speak of atoning for sin. As Jews, we understand >>>>>> observance >>>>>> as our way of tapping into eternity--being part of something more >>>>>> enduring >>>>>> than ourselves. >>>>>> >>>>>> After 350 years, we continue to struggle with what it means to be >>>>>> Jewish in America. >>>>>> >>>>>> While we cannot fully resolve the contradictions between our >>>>>> American and Jewish values, we might try acknowledging that the hyphen in >>>>>> American-Jewish is not always an uncomplicated path between our two >>>>>> realities. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:03:26 PM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Show me where Judaism is in any way in conflict with Western society >>>>>>> and culture please.....If you can show me that, I will march right along >>>>>>> with you! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The problem, is that Judaism is not in conflict with Western >>>>>>> Society! You can find some examples of some Jew who has been accused of >>>>>>> sexual molestation, but nothing within Judaism itself approves of this. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 12:59 PM, plainolamerican < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> get a clue, zionist xian. >>>>>>>> When a culture such as zionism is at total odds with Western >>>>>>>> Culture, our values, and calls for the demise of yours, mine, and our >>>>>>>> children's way of life, then I take that threat seriously..... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> tell you what ... you eliminate the the muzzies in FL and I'll >>>>>>>> eliminate the zionist jews and muzzies in TN. Deal? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 9, 2014 11:50:47 AM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I don't promote hatred. I promote common sense. When a culture >>>>>>>>> such as Islam/Sharia is at total odds with Western Culture, our >>>>>>>>> values, and >>>>>>>>> calls for the demise of yours, mine, and our children's way of life, >>>>>>>>> then I >>>>>>>>> take that threat seriously.....Obviously, while you sing another >>>>>>>>> rendition >>>>>>>>> of "Kum-Bay-Yah" or "We Are The World, We Are The Children"; and swap >>>>>>>>> sugar with one of your towel headed brethren, you are naive and >>>>>>>>> blinded by >>>>>>>>> the threat, much like your Peeps Whoopi, Joy Behar, Rosie O'Donnell, >>>>>>>>> and a >>>>>>>>> host of other confused ignorant goofy women! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 12:25 PM, plainolamerican < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> one can only conclude that you are a hatemongering zionist xian >>>>>>>>>> promoting hatred and war against muslims in both the middle east and >>>>>>>>>> America. >>>>>>>>>> do your children know who your really are? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 9, 2014 11:18:52 AM UTC-5, plainolamerican >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The bigger development was the reaction >>>>>>>>>>> <http://newsok.com/article/5340759> of Oklahoma's religious and >>>>>>>>>>> social justice groups to Bennett. Instead of dividing the community, >>>>>>>>>>> Bennett had brought together Christian, Jewish and Muslim groups as >>>>>>>>>>> well as >>>>>>>>>>> organizations like the NAACP and the ACLU to stand together at a >>>>>>>>>>> press >>>>>>>>>>> conference to denounce Bennett and demand an apology. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Rabbi Vered Harris of Oklahoma City's Temple B'nai Israel told >>>>>>>>>>> me, "I respect people of all religions, or no religions, who abide >>>>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>>>> America's core values of tolerance and respect. It's unfortunate >>>>>>>>>>> that Rep. >>>>>>>>>>> Bennett does not." >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I also spoke with the president of the Oklahoma Chapter of the >>>>>>>>>>> NAACP, Anthony Douglas, who said it was too late for Bennett to >>>>>>>>>>> apologize, >>>>>>>>>>> it was time for him to resign. Douglas, a Vietnam veteran, >>>>>>>>>>> commented that >>>>>>>>>>> Bennett is "promoting hatred and possibly even violence against >>>>>>>>>>> Muslim >>>>>>>>>>> Americans with his comments and there's simply no place for that >>>>>>>>>>> from our >>>>>>>>>>> elected officials." >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/19/opinion/obeidallah-anti-muslim >>>>>>>>>>> -bias/ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [image: john bennett crazy facebok post] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 9, 2014 9:45:19 AM UTC-5, KeithInTampa >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> A Zionist Christian? Again, this shows that you have not a >>>>>>>>>>>> clue what you ramble on about...... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 9:48 AM, plainolamerican < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bennett is a zionist xian to ignore. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 9, 2014 6:30:27 AM UTC-5, Travis wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> BareNakedIslam posted: "In a town hall appearance in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Muskogee, Republican Oklahoma State Rep. John Bennett told the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> assembled >>>>>>>>>>>>>> crowd that the expansion of rights for Muslim Americans is no >>>>>>>>>>>>>> different >>>>>>>>>>>>>> than the growth of the Nazi Party in Germany before World War >>>>>>>>>>>>>> II. Raw >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Story Ben" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> New post on *BARE NAKED ISLAM* >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.barenakedislam.com/?author=1> My favorite >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oklahoma Congressman, John Bennett, says: “Muslims can’t be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> trusted if they >>>>>>>>>>>>>> follow Islam” >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.barenakedislam.com/2014/10/08/my-favorite-oklahoma-congressman-john-bennett-says-muslims-cant-be-trusted-if-they-follow-islam/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>>>>>>> BareNakedIslam <http://www.barenakedislam.com/?author=1> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In a town hall appearance in Muskogee, Republican Oklahoma >>>>>>>>>>>>>> State Rep. John Bennett told the assembled crowd that the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> expansion of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rights for Muslim Americans is no different than the growth of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Nazi >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Party in Germany before World War II. 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