Pluto wrote: *"What a to do about an obviously ignorant, bigoted illiterate arsehole, best thing to do about this low born far right lunatic is to ignore the turd completely."*
This is typical of those "Progressives" who are for the most part uninformed or misninformed. During the holiday season, we're having a lot of familial get-togethers; and yesterday was no exception. I think I've shared this, but my family for the most part consists of a number of "Progressives"; dating back to my maternal Grandfather who was "Union" and a Democrat. Growing up, we were all encouraged especially at the dinner table to discuss politics, world affairs and current events, (including the women!) but there were two rules: One: you cannot speak negatively about the Union; and Two: Nothing negative or nasty about the Democratic Party. Of course, this was forty-five years ago (and longer); but the proverbial apple doesn't fall far from the tree! My maternal Uncle, now in his seventies, is of the same fabric as my Grandfather; and my daughter, who was also brought up with that same social mindset and emphasis of keeping abreast of politics, world affairs and current events; made some interesting comments over the last couple of days. (Yesterday we had a big family luncheon with probably 25 family members gathered; including cousins, uncles and aunts; etc. Last night we were here at my home with me, my 83 year old Mother, my girlfriend and my daughter and her fiance' who as a side note is an idiot, but I digress) A few nights ago, the discussion for a short time was focused on Donald Trump. My daughter made the comment that Trump was a racist. When questioned as to why Ashley believed this, her answer was obviously based on media reports; as she couldn't with specificity identify what Trump had said that was racist, other than knowing it was purportedly comments about Muslims and Hispanics. I got to thinking about this and questioned Ashley last night regarding how and why she thought the way that she did. In a nutshell, (and this ended up being a rather long "Discussion/Conversation" which covered the gamut of current political "Hot Topics"; from Gay Marriage, to Trump, to Islam and the Obama Administration's "strategy" to combat domestic and international terrorism) but I came to the conclusion that Ashley, and many Americans are so influenced by our "Mainstream" media that their world view is usually very tainted by a partisan, Progressive world view, and they have so unaware and have no clue that they have been so tainted! This is one of the reasons why I am now more convinced and repeat oft times that most Progressives are misinformed and/or uninformed.....They literally have no clue, other than what their government, or a news organization with a socialistic/communistic agenda is propagating to them. On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 2:54 AM, pluto of brougham < [email protected]> wrote: > What a to do about an obviously ignorant, bigoted illiterate arsehole, > best thing to do about this low born far right lunatic is to ignore the > turd completely. > > On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 5:29 PM, plainolamerican < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> How many Japanese or Germans immigrated into the US during WWII? >> --- >> In 1988, President Ronald Reagan >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan> signed into law the Civil >> Liberties Act <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Liberties_Act_of_1988>, >> which apologized for the internment on behalf of theU.S. government >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_government_of_the_United_States> and >> authorized a payment of $20,000 to each individual camp survivor. The >> legislation admitted that government actions were based on "race prejudice, >> war hysteria, and a failure of political leadership."[17] >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans#cite_note-17> >> The >> U.S. government eventually disbursed more than $1.6 billion in reparations >> to 82,219 Japanese Americans who had been interned and their heirs >> <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/heir>.[16] >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans#cite_note-CLA1988-Yamato-16> >> [18] >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans#cite_note-democracynow-18> >> >> On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 2:31:06 PM UTC-6, Travis wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Yes, he is. How many Japanese or Germans immigrated into the US during >>> WWII? >>> >>> >>> >>> B >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.gopusa.com/theloft/2015/12/09/is-trump-right-about-halting-muslim-immigration/?subscriber=1 >>> >>> >>> Is Trump right about halting Muslim immigration? >>> >>> *By Bobby Eberle* December 9, 2015 >>> >>> [image: Description: >>> http://www.gopusa.com/news/wp-content/blogs.dir/3/files/2015/12/tashfeen_malik-300x180.jpg] >>> <http://www.gopusa.com/news/wp-content/blogs.dir/3/files/2015/12/tashfeen_malik.jpg>Donald >>> Trump has spoken out, and his comments are the talk of the land. Whether >>> one looks at the liberal media, the Democrats, the other GOP presidential >>> contenders, or the GOP establishment in Washington, everyone is saying the >>> exact same thing: Trump is wrong. Trump has crossed the line. Trump doesn't >>> represent American values. But when we step back and look at the facts >>> honestly, we have to ask ourselves: is Trump actually right? >>> >>> We no longer have to look back at September 11, 2001 as the last time >>> Americans were attacked at home by radical Islamic terrorists. All we have >>> to do is look back to last week. Islamic terrorists are striking all over >>> the globe, and now they have struck again in America. In reaction to that >>> attack (along with the recent Paris attack and countless others), Donald >>> Trump called for a temporary ban on all Muslims entering the country. This >>> is what he said: >>> >>> "Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims >>> entering the United States until our representatives can figure out what >>> the hell is going on. We have no choice." >>> >>> Enter the media firestorm and the parade of people coming out against >>> Trump. Our new speaker of the House, Paul Ryan, spoke out against Trump. >>> >>> Ryan spoke of the virtues of Muslims, so that we won't think they are >>> all terrorists. Barack Obama did the same thing in his Oval Office address. >>> Rather than talk about how to keep us safe, Obama lectured Americans on the >>> need for gun control (which would not have stopped these terrorists) and >>> spoke on the importance of being nice to Muslims. Guess what? No one is >>> lumping all Muslims in the same boat. No one is saying that! And yet Paul >>> Ryan speaks about it. Obama speaks about it. And the entire left wing media >>> is talking about it. >>> >>> On the homepage of CNN.com yesterday, the main headline was *The truth >>> about Muslims in America >>> <http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/08/us/muslims-in-america-shattering-misperception/index.html>*, >>> a story which plays down their danger to America but also plays up their >>> contributions. >>> >>> All of these people want to ignore the FACT that radical Islamic >>> terrorists have just struck on American soil again. They want to ignore the >>> FACT that ALL major terrorist attacks around the globe are being >>> perpetrated by members of one type of religion. They also ignore the fact >>> that radical Islam is not just a religion, but it is a political and >>> governing way of life. Sharia law is incompatible with the American way of >>> life and the American form of government. That's just a simple fact. >>> >>> So, here's a little refresher of what the media and even our own GOP >>> leaders and candidates wont' tell you. First of all, there is this notion >>> that Islamic radicals make up a very, very, very, very small percentage of >>> all Muslims. Take a look at this video by Ben Shapiro: >>> >>> In summary, Ben notes that there are around 680 million radical muslims >>> around the world and about 500,000 right here in America. These may not be >>> terrorists, but they sympathize with the motives and means of the >>> terrorists. >>> >>> A story from this summer which ran on *Breitbart.com >>> <http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/06/24/shock-poll-51-of-american-muslims-want-sharia-25-okay-with-violence-against-americans/>* >>> points out the results of a new poll of American Muslims. >>> >>> The results show that a startling number of American Muslims, our fellow >>> citizens, agree that violence is a legitimate response to those who insult >>> Islam. A full majority of 51% "agreed that "Muslims in America should have >>> the choice of being governed according to shariah." >>> >>> A full 25% of those polled agreed that "violence against Americans here >>> in the United States can be justified as part of the global jihad." >>> >>> For those who don't know, Sharia Law is nothing less than the >>> Nazi-ification of a religion. Sharia authorizes murder against >>> non-believers who won't convert, horrific oppression of women, the >>> execution of gays, the extermination of Jews... >>> >>> So, 25% of those polled believe that violence against Americans can be >>> justified?! And what are we doing about this? It seems like the media and >>> GOP candidates are bending over backwards NOT to talk about it. Trump is >>> the only candidate that is speaking about American safety. >>> >>> There are a few fundamental reasons why America is not just some loose >>> collection of states. There are reasons why we drew up a Constitution and >>> created a federal government. The NUMBER ONE reason is for the protection >>> of American citizens. That is the main and most important function. And >>> yet, there is only one person talking about it? Does anyone find that to be >>> odd? >>> >>> Now, let's look at Trump's outrageous, racist, misguided, insane, >>> out-of-line, over-the-top recommendation, and let's compare with other >>> times America has been under attack. >>> >>> As noted by *Frontpage Mag >>> <http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/261062/carter-banned-iranians-coming-us-during-hostage-daniel-greenfield>*, >>> "During the Iranian hostage crisis, Carter issued a number of orders to put >>> pressure on Iran. Among these, Iranians were banned from entering the >>> United States unless they oppose the Shiite Islamist regime or had a >>> medical emergency." Wow, liberal president Jimmy Carter proposed this? >>> >>> Here's Jimmy Carter saying it back in 1980. >>> >>> Fourth, the Secretary of Treasury [State] and the Attorney General will >>> invalidate all visas issued to Iranian citizens for future entry into the >>> United States, effective today. We will not reissue visas, nor will we >>> issue new visas, except for compelling and proven humanitarian reasons or >>> where the national interest of our own country requires. This directive >>> will be interpreted very strictly. >>> >>> In another *Frontpage Mag >>> <http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/261060/fdr-halted-german-japanese-naturalization-after-daniel-greenfield>* >>> story, we learn that "after Pearl Harbor, the naturalization of enemy >>> aliens was suspended for a time." >>> >>> The myth popularized by the left is that after Pearl Harbor the United >>> States began randomly going after Japanese-Americans because of racism. The >>> actual reality is that the United States began relocating "enemy aliens" in >>> the West Coast, which meant Germans, Japanese and Italians who were not >>> United States citizens. Race wasn't the issue. Fear of an invasion was. >>> >>> So... is Trump so wrong? >>> >>> In an article on *National Review >>> <http://www.nationalreview.com/article/428201/donald-trump-muslim-immigration-policy-discussion?VlLUJdKW03eOEVuT.01>*, >>> Andrew McCarthy actually points out that Trump's comments should "touch off >>> a badly needed debate." >>> >>> The lack of separation between spiritual and civic life is not the only >>> problem with Islam. Sharia is counter-constitutional in its most basic >>> elements -- beginning with the elementary belief that people do not have a >>> right to govern themselves freely. Islam, instead, requires adherence to >>> sharia and rejection of all law that contradicts it. So we start with >>> fundamental incompatibility, before we ever get to other aspects of sharia: >>> its systematic discrimination against non-Muslims and women; its denial of >>> religious liberty, free speech, economic freedom, privacy rights, due >>> process, and protection from cruel and unusual punishments; and its >>> endorsement of violent jihad in furtherance of protecting and expanding the >>> territory it governs. >>> >>> Let's bear in mind that permitting immigration is a discretionary >>> national act. There is no right to immigrate to the United States, and the >>> United States has no obligation to accept immigrants from any country, >>> including Muslim-majority countries. We could lawfully cut off all >>> immigration, period, if we wanted to. Plus, it has always been a basic >>> tenet of legal immigration to promote fidelity to the Constitution and >>> assimilation into American society -- principles to which classical sharia >>> is antithetical. >>> >>> So, was Trump out of line with his comments? If an American leader is >>> truly concerned about the safety of the American people, doesn't it make >>> sense to take a hard look at the immigration process? >>> >>> How about this... How about if we call for a two-year halt to ALL >>> immigration from ANY country? As McCarthy noted there is no "right" for >>> anyone to come here whenever he or she wants. It is up to America to let >>> people in, and we are a country at war with radical Islamic terrorists. >>> >>> What if a candidate proposed a two-year timeout on immigration so that >>> America can secure its northern and southern borders, review the visa >>> process that so many terrorists have abused in the past, and come up with >>> new policies for who can actually come into this country. To appease the >>> left and the weak GOP establishment, the timeout would apply to all races, >>> nationalities, etc. We wouldn't want to offend those trying to kill us, >>> would we? >>> >>> In a world where radical Islamic terrorists are trying to kill us, >>> doesn't that proposal make sense? And yet, there is only one candidate who >>> is talking about American safety and security, and that candidate is >>> getting attacked from all sides. >>> >>> I saw Islamic terrorists kill Americans. I saw Flight 77 fly overhead >>> and crash into the Pentagon. I saw the explosion that killed innocent >>> Americans. I don't want to see it again... ever! So, rather than the media >>> or Paul Ryan or the Young Republicans (who sent out an e-mail denouncing >>> Trump's comments) or the establishment GOP coming out and continuing to >>> tell us that not all Muslims are bad, when are we going to hear some real >>> plans about dealing with the ones who are trying to kill us? >>> >>> VN:D [1.9.6_1107] >>> >>> *Rate this post:* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> __._,_.___ >>> ------------------------------ >>> Posted by: "Beowulf" <[email protected]> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> Visit Your Group >>> <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/grendelreport/info;_ylc=X3oDMTJmdjA1ZXRzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwMTk0ODA2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTMyMzY2NwRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzE0NDk2NzkxMTE-> >>> >>> >>> [image: Yahoo! 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