A "slippery slope"..... On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 8:10 AM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> wrote:
> I honestly have no problem with not allowing a person who is on the list > not be allowed to buy guns!!! There also needs to be a way to > prove/disprove that a person is a threat in a timely manner!!! > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Travis <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> [image: http://www.nysun.com/images/logo_ladies.gif] >> >> *The Bill of Rights Watch List* >> >> *Editorial of The New York Sun | December 10, 2015* >> >> >> >> Now that Connecticut is going to bar persons on the Federal terrorism >> watch list from buying guns, the question is: What’s next? The move by the >> governor of the Nutmeg State, Daniel Malloy, strips persons on the >> terrorism list of their rights under the Second Amendment to keep and bear >> arms. But could that be all the governor has in mind? >> >> Another step would be also to strip persons on the Watch List of their >> First Amendment Rights. “What could possibly be the argument for allowing a >> terrorist suspect to buy a semiautomatic weapon?” President Obama in >> respect of the Second Amendment. A good question. But what could possibly >> be the argument for allowing a terrorist suspect to go into a church or >> mosque? >> >> It is true that going to a church or mosque is protected under the >> free-exercise clause of the First Amendment. It’s also true that the First >> Amendment is part of the same Bill of Rights as the Second Amendment. Then >> again, religion is a personal thing. Maybe anyone on the terrorism list >> ought to be allowed to go to mosque — but lose the protection of the Third >> Amendment. >> >> The Third is the amendment that prohibits the quartering of soldiers in >> private homes in times of peace. And why in Sam Hill should persons on the >> Terrorism Watch List enjoy projection of the Third Amendment. If they’re >> not going to be able to buy guns, why shouldn’t they also be forced to have >> soldiers quartered in their homes? Why do they deserve the privacy right? >> >> Or, for that matter, the protection of the Fourth Amendment. The Fourth >> is one of the great peaks in the Himalayas of the Bill of Rights. If the >> First is Everest, we like to say, the Fourth is K-2. It protects against >> searches and seizures that are unreasonable. But what is unreasonable about >> abandoning the warranting process for searching members of the Terrorism >> Watch list? >> >> Look at the Fifth Amendment, too. The Fifth is the amendment that >> prohibits the government from forcing a person to testify against himself. >> It’s the amendment to which people refer when they “plead the Fifth.” Why >> should members of the Terrorism Watch List enjoy the right to plead the >> Fifth in a United States of America courtroom? >> >> No doubt some will protest that the Second Amendment is different — that >> it’s more dangerous for a person on the Terrorism List to be able to buy a >> gun than to be able to hide behind the Fifth Amendment or the Fourth or >> Third. But why? What’s the difference between the protections of the Second >> and the protections of the rest? >> >> Take your Sixth Amendment. Surely Mr. Obama and Governor Malloy are not >> going to permit persons on the Terrorism Watch List to enjoy the right to a >> trial by a jury of their peers. What are we going to do, empanel a jury of >> members of the Terrorism Watch List every time a member of the list lands >> in the dock? >> >> It gets even graver in respect of the Seventh Amendment. That gives >> persons involved in civil suits for more than $20 the right to have the >> facts decided by a jury. How could President Obama or Governor Malloy >> extend this kind of invitation to trouble to persons who are already on the >> Terrorism Watch List? >> >> The next thing one knows, they’ll be asking for bail, which is the right >> vouchsafed in the Eighth Amendment. Surely Messrs. Obama and Malloy are not >> going to assert that it’s safe to allow persons on the Terrorism Watch List >> access to the Eight Amendment. Why do *they* deserve bail bail? Why >> *shouldn’t* they be subject to cruel and unusual punishment? >> >> Fie on the Eighth Amendment. Fie on the Ninth and Tenth. Fie on the whole >> idea of the Bill of Rights. What good is it if the government can stick a >> person on a Watch List without a trial and then suspend their rights? If >> the President wants to suspend the Second Amendment, the logic is to >> suspend them all. The only other option would be to send an army to defeat >> our enemies so we wouldn’t need a watch list at all. >> >> >> >> >> __._,_.___ >> ------------------------------ >> Posted by: "Beowulf" <[email protected]> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> Visit Your Group >> <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/grendelreport/info;_ylc=X3oDMTJmaHAxdXU1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwMTk0ODA2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTMyMzY2NwRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzE0NDk4NTgwNzE-> >> >> >> [image: Yahoo! 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